CHAPTER XVI
GIVING EVERY MAN A REASON
ARE THERE PASSAGES IN THE OLD TESTAMENT THAT TEACH "PLURALITY"?
WHAT "NEW EVIDENCE" HAVE THE NEO-TRINITARIANS DISCOVERED AGAINST
THE ONENESS POSITION?
OBJECTIONS
ANSWERED // OBJECTION 1 - ROLE PLAYING //
THE ROLE PLAYING JESUS OF TRINITARIANISM
// OBJECTION 2 - TRANSIENT ILLUSION // ILLUSIONARY
SPEECH OF THE NEO-TRINITARIANS // "I-THOU" RELATIONSHIP"
- TRINITARIAN IMPOSSIBILITY // OBJECTION 3 -
RECIPROCAL LOVE // TRINITARIAN LOVE DILEMMA
// OBJECTION 4 - JESUS' TWO NATURES // VOICE
SWITCHING // REMARKABLE INCIDENT IN THE GARDEN
// OBJECTION 5 - THE TWO WITNESSES // NEO-TRINITARIAN
BACKFIRE // OBJECTION 6 - APOSTOLIC SALUTATIONS
// OBJECTION 7 - "I GO TO THE FATHER" // A
TRINITARIAN PROBLEM // ONENESS HAS THE ANSWER
// OBJECTION 8 - THE HIDDEN FATHER // WHAT
ABOUT THE HIDDEN TRINITY? // THE HIDDEN
FATHER MADE PLAIN // OBJECTION 9 - "THE WORD
MADE FLESH" // ONENESS EXPLANATION
- "THE TENT OF GOD" // OBJECTION 10 - "LET
US MAKE MAN" // OBJECTION 11 - BAPTISM OF JESUS
// OBJECTION 12 - THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD //
OBJECTION 13 - "ELOHIM" // OBJECTION
14 - JESUS PRAYING TO THE FATHER // OBJECTION
15 - "MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I" //
OBJECTIONS ANSWERED
We will now consider the main objections raised by Dr. Boyd and other Trinitarians
(both Neo and classical), against the Oneness of the Godhead doctrine.
Some of these objections are old "ghost" arguments and outfitted in new
theological shrouds and made to appear quite "alive." The same ammunition
that laid them to rest the first time will be re-applied. Hopefully
Trinitarians will not take up precious time in the future with any further
conjuring of these phantoms.
Another class of objections actually does not apply to the modern Oneness
Movement at all. The majority of Dr. Boyd's objections fall into
this category. These arguments have little to do with our doctrine.
They are all leveled against the modalistic teachings of Sabellius and
Praxeas of the second century. Thus we constantly hear Dr. Boyd characterizing
our doctrine as role-playing, masks, illusions, performances, etc.
Our doctrine is "God in Christ," not "God in masks." The Articles
of Faith of the UPCI contains no references to God "playing roles" or "wearing
masks." Neither does the Creed and Discipline of the P.A.W. contain
such statements! Dr. Boyd's line of reasoning may apply (and I say
"may apply") to ancient Modalism. However even in that instance it
is doubtful. We do not have any of the writings of Sabellius or Praxeas
to determine what they actually taught. They were all destroyed.
All that we have to rely on is what their Trinitarian opponents accused
them of teaching. And we know how unreliable that can be! The
true teachings of the second century Modalists have no doubt been greatly
distorted by their detractors. We feel if their actual writing could
be examined, they would probably show a theologically correct view of the
godhead. The followers of Sabellius and Praxeas were undoubtedly
the surviving spiritual remnant of the Early Apostolic Church and doctrine.
That is why we do not hesitate to claim spiritual kinship with them; for
there is enough evidence, even in the distorted charges of their enemies,
to recognize that they possessed the truth. And it is against these
gross caricatures of Ancient Modalism that Dr. Boyd, and others, direct
most of their fire power, while at the same time claiming to be refuting
modern day Oneness. In essence they just repeat the arguments of
the ancient Trinitarian forgers! If I may borrow Dr. Boyd's own words,
written against us, and apply it to them, for it fits them much better:
"They present a Caricature. Hence these writings simply have
the effect of tearing down a straw man in order to convince their uninformed
readers about the truth of their own position" (Boyd., p. 66).
This is nothing but a diversionary tactic, to keep people from examining
the real Oneness teaching. How greatly they fear the truth reaching
the ears of professing Trinitarians can be seen in the following statement
made by Dr. Boyd, after his presentation of our Oneness arguments for sake
of reference, in Chapter 1 of his book:
"Don't conclude too quickly! I have presented above some of the
most frequently raised objections to the doctrine of the Trinity stated
by Oneness adherents. To uninformed Trinitarians who have not been
prepared for them, they can initially be devastating...These arguments
have successfully converted significant numbers of professed trinitarians...
to Oneness Pentecostalism. To those who find these arguments persuasive,
may I urge you to not accept them uncritically. Don't conclude in
favor of Oneness Pentecostalism too quickly or too easily" (Boyd, p.48).
If this is how forceful Dr. Boyd views our arguments when he himself presents
them in his book, how much more so must they be when we are allowed to
present them! No wonder they fear!!
OBJECTION 1 - ROLE PLAYING
Dr. Boyd lamb-bastes the Oneness doctrine in several places because he
feels it reduces the Father and the Son to two "roles" that God plays.
He feels we can never know the real God, because he "hides" behind these
masks, or roles. Its similar, I guess he feels, to an actor who portrays
several characters on a stage but never reveals his own personal life to
the public. He writes:
"In other words, in Oneness Theology the three 'Temporary' roles of
God do not arise out of God's essential eternal being. God 'plays'
Father, Son and Holy Spirit. But in His heart of hearts - whoever
he is - he is not these three." (Boyd, p. 179).
Now where Dr. Boyd gained the idea that we teach God exists in "three temporary
roles," I do not know. He must be reading Church History far into
the late night! I have been Oneness for over 30 years and I have
never heard it taught like that! Its a classic straw man argument
and totally inapplicable. What we actually teach is
"God in Christ" (1 Cor. 5:18). And from that belief we can learn
a great deal about what God is like! Because Jesus was "God manifest
in the flesh" (1 Tim. 3:16), we have the most personal revelation
of the heart (heart of hearts, if you please) and Mind of God that
is possible! Through Christ we have a clear understanding of God's
"essential eternal Being."
We know what God looks like because Christ said:
"He that hath seen me hath seen the Father" (John 14:10).
We know what God sounds like for Christ said:
"I have not spoken of myself: but the Father which sent me" (John
12:49).
We know what God's love is like for Christ said:
"As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you." (John 15:9)
We know what it is to receive God for Christ said:
"He that receiveth me, receiveth him that sent me" (John 13:20).
We know what it is to know God personally, for our Lord said:
"If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from
henceforth ye know him..." (John 14:7).
We know where God dwells, for Jesus said:
"The Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works" (John 14:10).
We know God's essence for Jesus also said:
"God is a Spirit" (John 4:24).
We even know God's personal name for Jesus said:
"I am come in my Father's name" (John 5:43).
What more does Dr. Boyd want than this? It certainly satisfies Oneness
believers who hunger for a revelation of God's "essential eternal being."
It certainly satisfied Paul who found God's glory "in the face of Jesus
Christ" (2 Cor. 4:6).
Whatever we want to know about God is fully demonstrated in Christ.
And He is no "temporary role" for "in Him dwelleth (permanently resides
- Greek) all the fulness of the Godhead bodily" (Col. 2:9).
THE ROLE PLAYING JESUS OF TRINITARIANISM
Whole we are on the subject of role playing, it would do well to examine
Dr. Boyd's Neo-Trinitarianism for a moment, for it is here that the real
"role playing charade" occurs! Remember, in Neo-Trinitarianism God
is not the literal Father (progenitor) and Jesus is not the literal Son
(progency). See Boyd, p. 63. Therefore all this talk about
the Father and the Son ("Father-Son language" as Boyd calls it on page
63) must not be taken literally, because "we are speaking analogically,
not literally," Dr. Boyd tells us on page 63. They are "like" Father
and Son, but they are not literally so. So if they are not really
Father and Son, then they are "something else"! They play the role
of Father and Son, use "Father-Son language," but it is all an "analogy."
They are not really what they appear. Even the agony of the cross
is included in this performance, for we read that God's participation in
this "devastating nightmare" was "something like a perfectly loving parent
- as Father" (Boyd, p. 186). He is not literally a perfectly loving
parent or Father, for he is "something like a perfectly loving parent."
Whatever that might be!
Due to their "Greek Olympics" in which they re-translate out of existence
all references to Jesus as "the only begotten Son of God," they are left
with "something like" a Father and "something like" a Son. And all
the dialogue ("Father-Son language") in the Gospels, which we thought was
between a real Father and Son, is one big "analogical" performance.
Role playing if you please!
"Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that
Jesus is the Son of God" (I John 5:5).
No victory is promised for those who believe that Jesus was merely "something
like" a Son!
OBJECTION 2 - TRANSIENT ILLUSION
This brings us to our next objection that Dr. Boyd offers. He insists
that to believe in the Oneness, we must also believe that Christ's dialogues
with the Father were "illusions" or conversations that were contrived to
"appear" as if Christ was talking to the Father and vice versa. Some
sort of a ventriloquist act conducted by one person, impersonating two,
is what we are charged with. He writes:
"This air of 'transient illusion' comes out especially in the Christology
of Oneness Theology" (Boyd p. 180).
"Everything that is said about the personal interaction of the
Father and the Son, though it clearly appears to be indicative of a personal
relationship, is 'really' about Jesus interacting with Himself. hence
...the 'dialogue' is illusionary. It is 'sustained by a single impersonator''
" (p. 181).
The caricature that Dr. Boyd has painted of our doctrine is another
example of a straw man argument. Oneness people believe that conversation
between the Father and the Son were exactly that - conversations between
God and His Son! And how is that a problem for us? I fail to
see it! We believe in one God, who is a Spirit (John 4:24), not a
"person" whatever Trinitarians mean by that, they constantly change their
definition. This one true God, though He is Spirit, has a mind, a
will, and a consciousness. In addition to that He also had a Son,
that He begat (something Neo Trinitarians refuse to believe), and who was
born of the Virgin Mary. Hence Jesus Christ is the only begotten
Son of God - as the Bible declares repeatedly. This Son was a perfect,
sinless man. We believe the Son could pray and speak to, and about,
His Father any time. We believe that it is as real and authentic
as any conversation could be! And God could speak to, and about,
His Son, and be just as authentic - Where is the "illusion?" Could
it be the one that apparently exists in Dr. Boyd's mind concerning our
real beliefs? he wants us to believe something we do not, in order
to make his argument more appealing, which he can't!
The fact that this same God the Father is also incarnate in His Son,
that He dwells in His Son, does not alter in any way the above stated facts.
The Bible Truth that God was in Christ does not in any way negate the possibility
of real communication between Christ and His Father. Why should it?
In fact, as we shall see it is only with a Oneness revelation that
this dialogue makes sense at all.
For there to be real and meaningful conversation, two minds and two
wills are required. One mind must think and will to speak; the other
must think to respond, and will to answer. Without this you truly
have a ventriloquist illusion. In Oneness, the Father, who possesses
divine mind and will, dialogues with His Son, who has a human mind and
will. That is why Christ could pray "not my will, but thine be done."
(Mark 14:36). Christ also testified that communication with His Father
was continually going on within him (John 11:42). This communication
was openly verbalized on occasions, not because it was necessary for Christ,
but for our benefit. For example read the account where Christ prays
out loud at Lazarus' tomb: What does He say concerning this?
"Father I thank thee that thou hast heard me. And I know that
thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said
it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me" (John 11:41-42).
And when the Father willed to manifest an audible voice outside of Christ,
as He did in the Garden, Jesus explained it in similar fashion:
"Jesus answered and said: This voice came not because of me, but
for your sakes." (John 12:30).
So in summary, the Father who is a divine Spirit, can speak to his Son,
who is a sinless man, and the Son in turn can speak to this Father, without
negating the fact that God dwells in that Son. Even Dr. Boyd makes
the surprising admission that the Father was fully present in Christ:
"...Hence we ought not be surprised to find Jesus referring to the
Father and to the Holy Spirit as dwelling within Himself. 'For in Christ
all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form' (Col. 2:9)" (Boyd,
p.64).
So even in Dr. Boyd's very "flexible theology" the Son is conversing with
the Father who is "fully present" within him (p. 64)!
TRINITARIANS CLAIM THAT OUR BELIEF IN CHRIST'S FATHERHOOD IS "OPAQUE"
AND MUST BE READ INTO THE NEW TESTAMENT TEXT. IS THE DOCTRINE SIMPLY NOT THERE, OR DID CHRIST PURPOSELY VEIL HIS FATHERHOOD?
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ILLUSIONARY SPEECH OF THE NEO-TRINITARIANS
But Dr. Boyd and the Neo-Trinitarians have a problem of their own with
illusionary speech, which is more serious than the voice argument they
raised against us.
The Neo-Trinitarians, like their Classical Trinitarian predecessors,
make much of the "divine conversations" that took place amongst the members
of the Trinity in eternity past. This is part of their "eternal fellowship"
doctrine. The Classical Trinitarians at least admitted the they had
three real persons, three individuals with three minds and wills (Brumback
p. 55). Real fellowship, love, communication could take place among
their three separate gods. But the Neo-Trinitarians want their "cake
and eat it too." They claim that the idea of three individuals with
three minds, and three wills is all a "misunderstanding" (Boyd, p. 64,170).
God is, they claim, only One Spirit, with one mind, and one consciousness,
not three separate individuals (178). Dr. Boyd says his Trinity exists
in three personal ways (178), three fashions (63), or three spheres (176);
certainly not three separate persons. However this presents a problem
for them, that is larger than big! For how, pray tell, does one "way"
talk to another "way"? How does one "fashion" socialize with another "fashion"?
This is quite "illusionary." If this is bad, its about to get worse.
"I - THOU RELATIONSHIP" - TRINITARIAN IMPOSSIBILITY
On page 192 Boyd refers to this inner life of love and sociality within
the Trinity as an "I-Thou relationship"
"...we must postulate something like 'I-Thou' relationship within the
Godhead. For only if there is an 'I' and a 'Thou', a genuine sense
of otherness within God, can there be the kind of interpersonal relationality
and love that a God who eternally 'does what is best' would have."
But Dr. Boyd conveniently fails to mention one thing, one necessary thing!
In order to have an "I-Thou" relationship, two minds, two wills, two centres
of consciousness, must exist. One mind and consciousness for the
"I", and the other mind and consciousness for the :"Thou". Otherwise
it is a farce, an illusion! This is why we as humans must find another
"individual" in order to interact lovingly ("engage with one another
in loving interaction" as he puts it, Boyd, p. 195). But Boyd's Trinity
only has one mind, one center of consciousness, one will, it is basically
one individual! Hence no true "I-Thou" relationship can exist.
The more they chew it the bigger it gets. If they can't swallow it,
how do they expect us to??
OBJECTION 3 - RECIPROCAL LOVE
Dr. Boyd's next objection to the Oneness arises out of his previous one,
and is actually a corollary to it. There can be no real love between
the Father and the Son in Oneness scheme of things; only in the Trinity
can it exist. He considers this the most fundamental and important
differences between Oneness Theology and trinitarian theology. He
writes:
"Perhaps the most tragic implication of reducing the Father/Son personal
distinction to a mere distinction of natures (or even outright illusion)
is that it completely undermines the genuineness of the Father's personal
love for the Son and the Son's personal love for the Father..." (Boyd,
p. 183).
Oneness Theology does not undermine the love between God and Christ, in
fact it underlines it! For we preach the love of God the Father for
his only child; a child he begat, and that grew into manhood in perfect
obedience to His Father, whom he loved. We preach a real love that
exists between a real Father and a real Son who was begotten by Him.
Remember Boyd would have us believe "that the loving relationship that
exists between God and Jesus is like that of a father and
a son..." (p. 63). We believe it is that of a Father and a Son!
On page 186, Dr. Boyd gives us a personal incident of how he felt as
Father, the pain he experienced, when he saw his daughter injured.
He uses this to illustrate the love between the Father and the Son.
He has a problem though. He literally "begat" his daughter, so there
is a real parent-child bonding and love. But in his trinity the Father's
love is that it is "something like a perfectly loving Parent" (p.
186). You see it is "like that of a Father and Son" but it isn't.
What is so difficult for Dr. Boyd and the other Neo-Trinitarians to
understand? The one true infinite God, who is Spirit and omnipotent,
begat through means of a Virgin Birth, a Son, who was a perfect sinless
Man, the Saviour of the world. What is so difficult about believing
that God could love His Son, truly love him; and that the Son could reciprocate
this love, truly return it? The fact that the one true God also dwells
in His Son, as Dr. Boyd himself admits, does not alter or abrogate this
loving relationship. The fact that the Father also serves as the
divine nature resident in the flesh of his Son, does not impede the love
of one to the other. Indeed it heightens it! See John 16:32.
In fact because of this incarnation it is impossible for us to love the
Son apart from the Father:
"...and everyone that loveth him that begat, loveth him also
that is begotten of him" (I John 5:1).
Of course this is meaningless to Neo-Trinitarians, like Boyd, who do not
acknowledge a "progenitor" nor a "progeny" - this begetting business is
far too "pagan" for them!
TRINITARIAN LOVE DILEMMA
Dr. Boyd has a similar dilemma with his Trinitarian "love relationship"
that he had with their "eternal fellowship".
He states the Trinity was involved in a loving relationship from all
eternity; and what we witnessed in the incarnation showed us what had been
going on between the Father and Son in eternity past.
"How they love in time has always been taken by the church to be a
true revelation of how they love in eternity" (p. 189).
And there is more he has to say, as he climbs ever further on this already
creaking limb.
"From eternity to eternity, God is love, passionate love, unconditional
love, perfect love! For orthodox trinitarianism, God's innermost
being is the totally interpenetrating loving union of the three 'persons'
of the Trinity" (p. 189).
Of course in that last sentence he is careful to use the word 'persons',
for he knows how absurd it would sound to use any of his standard synonyms
like "fashions," "ways," or "spheres." Its difficult to talk about
the interpenetrating loving union of the "three personal fashions in which
God exists." Fashions can't love each other, neither can "ways."
We are face to face with the same old Boydian dilemma. True love
can only exist between two individuals, two minds or centers of consciousness.
And in Boyd's "trinity" there is supposed to be only one mind, one will
and centre of consciousness (though plenty of modes, spheres, fashions
and ways!). Love requires an "I - Thou" relationship, as he has previously
taught us. And we agree. But for an "I - Thou" relationship
to exist there must be two minds - one for "I" and one for "Thou" (or shall
I say "one for me and one for thee!") or at the minimum two separate
wills are required. But the "New Trinity" of Boyd and friends is
quite deficient in this area, having only "one mind" and "one will."
The old Classic Trinitarians had no problem here, for they had plenty of
separate minds and wills to go around!
Dr. Boyd seeks to extricate himself from this dilemma by involving himself
in a massive and fatal contradiction. He purposes that the love going
on in the Trinity is best understood by picturing the Trinity as a "single
human person" (see Boyd, p. 175). Let's see if we got it straight:
"one person"! He actually put it in print:
"Is describing God as 'one person' the same as describing Him as an
'absolute unity'? I think not, for the unity of a person is, in fact
a relational unity" (p. 175).
Now it is all right to define the Godhead as "one person"! The gymnastics
in Neo Trinitarianism would send an Indian rubber man to the chiropractor!
But let us follow this trail, it can only get better.
"The analogy that has been most frequently employed for understanding
the Trinity throughout church history has been one that likens the Trinity
to the inner constitution of a single human person" (p. 175).
He talks about a person having a "multiplicity of selves" (p. 175)!
But do these "selves" talk to each other and "love" each other (that is
outside of a mental institution)? Is this how we are to understand
the Trinity? Why doesn't he simply call it the "Schizophrenic Model"?
He quotes Augustine, who compared the Trinity to a person's "heart, will
and intellect." Does my heart love my intellect? Does my will
talk to my heart? And does my intellect listen in, as we all love
each other inside my body? He calls these things, "aspects" of the
self. Now "aspects" of a person are loving each other! How
comforting on a lonely night! Rev. Jonathan Edwards comes along on
page 175 with the "self's relationship to its own self image." And
he asks the profound question, "who's talking and who's listening?"
That's what I'd like to know! Wouldn't we all! And he winds
up saying "The fellowship of the three divine persons is something like
this..." All this from the man who on page 92 ridiculed Oneness as
having a "multiple personality" Jesus!
What a great news all this business about "multiplicity of selves" will
be for the man in solitary confinement, when he realizes that he is not
actually alone, but that his "self" is loving and talking to it's "own
self image"! Or how socially pleasing is it for the recluse to realize
he is not without fellowship because his "intellect" is busy talking to
his "will." No one should ever worry about not being loved, for one
"aspect" of our "multiplicity of selves" is always ready to love another
aspect! And Dr. Boyd finally concludes on page 176 that this analogy
drawn from the one human person is "much better suited to clarify the Trinitarian
understanding of God than it is the Oneness understanding" Amen!
The whole thing reminds me of a poem I read once:
"I gave a little party this afternoon at three,
Twas very small, three guests in all
Just I, myself and me.
Myself ate up all the sandwiches
While I drank up the tea
And it was I who ate the pie
And passed the cake to me."
And with that we will move on to our next objection.
OBJECTION 4 - JESUS' TWO NATURES
Oneness believes that Jesus was both God and Man in One Person. He
we believe he spoke from his divine nature as God, at times, and at other
times from his human nature as man. this has been a point of conflict
with Trinitarians in the past. For they too acknowledged that Christ
could speak from both natures. the only conflict was that we insisted
his divine nature was the Father who dwelt in him (as Christ himself said
in John 14:10), and they insisted his divine nature was "God the Son" (a
term not found in the Bible). But Dr. Boyd, like the ancient monophysite
heretics, will have none of this. He refers to our view as a "multi
personality" Jesus (p. 92). He considers it absurd that Jesus would
"switch voices," as he puts it, between sentences:
"It requires that we view Jesus as switching back and forth between
his supposed identities of Father and Son -- and doing so between sentences"
(p. 88).
And what is even more abhorrent to his monophysical view is that Jesus
even "switches voices" in mid sentence.
"The multipersonality Jesus again (we are to believe) switches voices
in the middle of a sentence." (p. 92).
Dr. Boyd has again constructed a gross caricature of our true belief in
order to drum up popular support for his untenable position. Lets
set the record straight. It is Dr. Boyd, not u, who believes in viewing
God as a "Person" with "multiple personalities," as he himself has
stated on page 175. We believe in "God in Christ," like Paul did
(1 Cor 5:18). When we say Jesus spoke sometimes as Father and sometimes
as Son, what we mean is as obvious as it is Biblical. Seeing Jesus
was both God and man, he had two "reservoirs" or knowledge from which he
could draw. He could speak the "things of God." This means
information he had from his mental reservoir as God.
"If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether
it be of God, or whether I speak of myself." (John 1:17)
"For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things..." (John
5:20).
But Jesus, because he was also a man, could also speak strictly as a man,
drawing on his human reservoir of knowledge. This was the knowledge
in which "he grew and increased," like all humans. Thus he
could speak of earthly things, or heavenly divine things, that a mere man
could never have known.
"If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall
ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?" (John 3:12)
If Dr. Boyd can't see this distinction in Christ's utterance all I can
say is what Christ said:
"If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether
it be of God,..." (John 7:17).
When Christ said: "Before Abraham was I am" (John 8:58), who would
deny he was speaking as God? And when he said "I thirst" (John
19:28), who would deny that he was speaking as a man? The Monophysites
argued over these texts, but the Trinitarians never found a problem (until
recently!)
VOICE SWITCHING
The doctrine espoused by Oneness is far different from the ventriloquist
act of which Dr. Boyd accuses us, or the different voices that fight for
control in people afflicted with multipersonality disorder. And as
to Dr. Boyd's idea that Christ was so "limited" he could not change
perspectives ("voice switching") from divine to human between sentences,
the Bible positively records Him doing it, and in mid sentence at that!
It is so obvious that even the most stubborn disbeliever will have to admit
it is so. I am referring to Christ's statement ion Zechariah 12:10.
"And they shall look upon me whom they have pierced,
and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son..."
In one sentence Christ refers to himself as "me" and then "switches" (as
Boyd likes to call it) and refers to himself as "him." I know the
stampede to Hebrew dictionaries will commence immediately, but it stands
nonetheless. There's no way out. In this remarkable passage
Christ uses the first person singular "me" and also the third person singular
"him" to refer to himself. Two natures speaking -- from one person!
What else could it be? And if I may add, grammar is not the only
area where we find out That Jesus is also the 1st person, as well as the
third!
I know of a scholar, a Trinitarian, who teaches that when Christ used
the term "we" and "our" in John 3:11 he was speaking from both his natures
simultaneously! My library is filled with books by Trinitarians which
attempt to sort out the statements Christ made as a "man," from those he
made as "God." As the noted Trinitarian scholar John Walvoord says
in his book, "Jesus Christ our Lord" :
"It seems possible to conclude that he had both a divine and
human self consciousness, that these were never in conflict, and that
Christ sometimes thought, spoke, and acted from the divine self consciousness
and at other times from the human" (Walvoord, p. 118).
Dr. Boyd's argument is not with us, but rather with his fellow Trinitarians.
REMARKABLE INCIDENT IN THE GARDEN
On what grounds could the remarkable incident in the Garden be explained,
if Christ were not speaking with all divine authority and power of the
indwelling Father:
"Jesus saith unto them, 'I am'...As soon then as he had said unto
them, 'I am', they went backward, and fell to the ground." (John 18:5-6
Margin)
The KJV read "I am he", but the "he" is in italics, indicating it
was not in the original manuscripts. So Jesus was uttering the Jehovanistic
"I Am", just as Moses first heard God say it at the Burning Bush.
And if this utterance was not in some mysterious and sublime way springing
up directly from the reservoir of the Father's divine nature in Christ,
how can the equally mysterious and awesome reaction it produced be explained?
His words literally "pushed them into the bushes." I must agree with
the conclusion reached by first century listeners of long ago:
"Never man spake like this man." (John 7:46).
Why Dr. Boyd ever took issue with this, as a Trinitarian, is beyond me.
If he were an Arian I could understand it. Analyzing Christ's utterances
to determine which nature they issued from is standard Trinitarian, as
well as Oneness, practice. I will conclude this discussion with an
excellent quote from the book, "Christ Before the Manger," by the Trinitarian
scholar and author Ron Rhodes:
"It seems legitimate to conclude then, that Jesus in the incarnation
was one person with two different kinds of consciousness. He could
say 'I and the Father are One' (John 10:30), 'Before Abraham was born,
I am' (John 8:58), and 'I a, the way the truth and the life, no one comes
to the Father except through me' (John 14:6). In his human consciousness
Jesus could make such statements as 'I am thirsty' (John 19:28)" (p. 204).
Trinitarians had better sweep their own steps before they start on our
porch!
OBJECTION 5 -- THE TWO WITNESSES
This is an old argument, first raised by Carl Brumback, to my knowledge,
in the book "God in Three Persons". The argument did not work then
and it doesn't work now. It's been dusted off and suited again, but
to no avail. This is another dog that just won't hunt; not only that,
but it has the annoying habit of biting its owner! Shall we explore
it?
On page 76 and 77 Dr. Boyd outlines his case. Jesus said that
his ministry had been authenticated by two witnesses, namely himself and
his Father (John 8:16-18). This is in accordance with Jewish Law
that requires two individual testimonies to make a judgment binding.
Therefore, the Father and Son must be two persons.
However, the Jewish Law is talking about two human beings (Num.
35:30); something that does not exactly apply to the Trinity or the Oneness.
For in neither doctrine are you dealing with two human "persons."
But the essence of the Mosaic Law is what Christ is using, the spirit of
it, rather than the letter. God the Father, the Almighty God of Israel,
who was now in incarnate in Christ, bore witness by the miracles he performed
through Christ. And Jesus Christ -- the Man, the Son who was born
of Mary, also bore witness through his sinless life, and infallible teachings.
In the Oneness therefore, we have two minds or centers of consciousness,
one divine and the other human, that bore witness to Christ's ministry.
This is the equivalent of what Moses' Law required. The fact that the first
witness, the Father, dwells within the Son, the Second Witness, has no
negative bearing on the case at all. For the residence of a witness
does not affect his testimony! And besides, even Neo-Trinitarians admit
the Father fully dwells in the Son.
NEO-TRINITARIAN BACKFIRE
We cannot say however that the "big gun" of the Boyd-Brumback Munitions
Plant has failed to fire; for it did. It backfired! At leas
it backfires on Dr. Boyd, for Mr. Brumback was able to shield himself behind
his Classic Trinitarianism. You will remember Dr. Boyd's "persons"
are not really persons, that's why he puts the word in quotation marks.
They are defined as "personally distinct ways of existing" and "distinct
fashions". He even likes the analogy where they are compared to the
"heart, intellect and will" of one human person; or the "self" and
the "self image" of a single person (p. 175).
Now lets take that to court and see how it stands.
Witness |
"Your honour, I have two witnesses you require |
Judge |
"Good, where are they?" |
Witness |
"They are right here, your honour. You see its myself and my
own self-image." |
Judge |
"Son, we cannot admit that in this court." |
Witness |
"O.K. your honour, look at it this way. My heart
is one witness and my intellect is the other." |
Judge |
"Sorry, son. You're going to have to do better." |
Witness |
"I see, your honour. How about this? I exist in two
personally distinct ways. I am a dutiful husband, and also a loving
father. Can my two ways, or fashions if you want to call them that,
testify as two witnesses?" |
Judge |
"The court is getting tired with these games. Answer my
question young man, just how many minds or consciousnesses do you have,
anyway?" |
Witness |
"Your honour, I never claimed to have more than one mind, or
consciousness. But, please, can't I be two witnesses anyhow?
Please?" |
Judge |
"The court orders the witness to undergo Psychiatric examination for
multiple personality disorder. Case dismissed!" |
Robert Bowman says:
"One cannot go into any court of law and say, 'I am two witnesses to
the crime - my body testifies and my soul testifies'" (as quoted in Boyd,
p. 77).
Neither can one have their "self" and "self image" take the stand, or their
"heart" and their "intellect" for that matter! Carl Brumback doesn't
have this problem however, for his classic Trinity has at least three distinct
centres of consciousness that can go to court. Another Trinitarian
writer of the "old school", Peter Barnes, speaks of three "divine spirit
persons" and of course, these could also be subpoenaed as separate witnesses
(Peter Barnes, the Truth about Jesus and the Trinity, p. 12) But
Dr. Boyd, with his "one mind" trinity has a real problem with his witnesses!
If I were him I would move for a postponement. Objection Overruled!
OBJECTION 6 - APOSTOLIC SALUTATIONS
On Page 68, Dr. Boyd makes much ado over the Bible references that mention
God the Father and Jesus Christ together.
"In fact over 50 times the juxtapositioning of the Father and Jesus
the Son is rendered explicit within the very same verse"
And he gives examples such as II John 3, "Grace Mercy and peace from God
the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Father's Son."
Now references to the Father and the Son, especially as typified in
the salutations, are theologically neutral. The Trinitarians see
it as a reference to the First Person of the Trinity and the Second
Person. Arians see it as a reference to the one true God and his
created Son. Oneness adherents see it as a reference to the one true
God, the Father, and to the Son in whom he dwelt, our Lord Jesus Christ.
I have used these very salutations in personal letters that I have written
to others. To speak of the Father and Son "juxtapositioned" in the
same sentence in no way negates the fact that the Father is also in the
Son, and that in Christ we have both. Paul, who wrote most of the
salutations, also stressed the fact that God was in Christ. (See
1 Thessalonians 5:18, 2 Corinthians 12:19, Phil. 3:14, 2 Cor. 5:19, Col.
2:9). It certainly presented no problem for the Apostle John.
For after the above quoted salutation in 2 John 3, we hear him saying in
the same epistle:
"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ,
hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ,
he hath both the Father and the Son" (2 John 9).
How about that for a juxtaposition! What the trinitarians need and
want is a salutation which says:
"Grace and peace be unto you from the first and second persons of the
Triune God."
And this, thank God, they will never find!
The same thing applies to the threefold references scattered throughout
the New Testament to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. These no more
prove three persons in the Godhead, than do the five titles given to Christ
in Isaiah 9:6 prove five persons in the Son-head! For that matter
we read of "God and our Father" (Gal. 1:4), and the "mystery of God and
of the Father" (Col. 2:2). Are we to assume two persons are meant?
We are very comfortable reading about the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
We have always believed in a God who has "revealed himself as Father, through
His Son in redemption, and as the Holy Spirit by emanation" (Articles of
Faith of the UPCI.).
Dr. Boyd's own explanation of the threefold references seem good to
me. He says:
"It is a way of saying 'God/God/God' but in a richer and more felicitous
manner" (p. 58);
And on page 57, and in his footnote on page 230, he refers to the whole
thing as a "literary convention." So if it is a "literary convention,"
why try to prove anything from it? It is theologically neutral and
any side can read what they want into it. So why all the excitement?
Like the old Indian Chief said:
"Heap big thunder, heap big wind, - no rain!"
OBJECTION 7 - "I GO TO THE FATHER"
Jesus' statement in John 16:28 and a similar one in John 13:3 where he
speaks of going (or ascending) to the Father is often used against us.
"How can he go to the Father, if He is the Father!"
This is supposed to prove the utter "distinction" of the two:
"The distinction continues on, and becomes even more explicit, when
we hear the Jesus of John's Gospel immediately continue on to say...'I
am going to the Father'..." (Boyd, p. 74).
If Dr. Boyd and other Trinitarians feel this is a problem for Oneness believers,
they need to begin to take inventory themselves, for the text in question
is an immensely greater problem for them. I will explain.
A TRINITARIAN PROBLEM
According to the Trinitarian doctrine of the "Perichoresis," a Catholic
invention of the 4th century,
"wherever and however God exists -- as Father, or Son, or Holy Spirit
-- all of God exists. From this it follows that whatever person of
the Godhead one is referring to, the other two are fully present"
(p. 64).
"And indeed...each person completely dwells within the other two" (p.
171).
He goes on to talk about the "totally interpenetrating loving union
of the three persons of the Trinity" (p. 189). Hence "the inseparability
of the three persons." (p. 171).
Well now, according to what was just expounded as standard Trinitarianism,
wherever the Son is, the Father is also fully present, and the Father
completely dwells within the Son, "interpenetrates" him in a loving union,
and is "inseparable" from him. Then how do they explain that the
Son has to go to the Father? You can't get any closer than "interpenetration"!
The fact is they don't even dare to attempt an explanation! They
use this verse against us as one would a time bomb. They bring
it forward, set it in place, and then run for cover, for they certainly
don't want to be there when it goes off! In summary, if John 16:28
is a problem for anyone, its a problem for Trinitarians!
ONENESS HAS THE ANSWER
To understand this verse properly we must realize that Jesus is not speaking
about "going" to the Father or "ascending" to God in a geographicical
sense; as if He was in one place (down here) and the Father was off in
another place (up there). Jesus repeatedly told us "the Father is
with me," "the Father dwells in me," and "I am in the Father and the Father
is in me." John the evangelist tells us the Son ever dwells in the
"bosom of the Father." You don't get much closer than that!
No amount of travel could get Jesus any closer to the Father than he already
was. So what did he mean?
Let us take the whole context. Jesus said
"I came forth from the Father and am come into the world: again
I leave the world and go to the Father" (John 16:28).
"He was come from God, and went to God" (John 13:3).
In other words, he came from deity, dwelt in a human form among men on
earth, and is now returning to his previous mode of existence. He
originally was the unhampered and unlimited divine Spirit, he came to earth
and accepted the limitations of the flesh, and now he is returning top
unlimited Spirit existence. In other words, he is giving a short
history of his changes in office or position, not location.
Before he came to earth he was the Father, an unlimited all-powerful Spirit.
But he left that position (I came forth from the Father) and became incarnate
in human flesh and lived among us ("and am come into the world").
In this position he was limited and humbled.
"But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of
a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion
of a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death" (Philip
2:7-8).
Now after the resurrection, He is no longer "humbled," no longer "limited,"
and hampered by the flesh. He returns to what he was before, all
powerful, unlimited, unencumbered Spirit ("I leave the world and go to
the Father"). That is why the Bible said he
That is why Christ said it was necessary for him to "go away" that the
Comforter, (The Holy Spirit) "might come" (John 16:7),
"For the Spirit was not yet, for Christ was not yet glorified"
(John 7:39, margin).
"the last Adam (Christ) was made a quickening Spirit" (1 Cor.
15:45).
When? When He went back to God (John 13:3). He went back to Spirit!
Now we can rejoice with Paul that the "Lord is that Spirit" (2 Cor. 3:17).
He came from unlimited Spirit life (Father), "limited" himself in flesh
("came into the world"), and now has returned to unlimited Spirit existence
(Father). And thank God for it. For instead of being able to
comfort just a limited number of disciples in the flesh, he is now able
to dwell in us all as the Holy Spirit! This is what he meant when
he told the disciples, concerning the Comforter, "He dwelleth with you,
but shall be in you". (John 14:17). "I will not leave you comfortless,
I will come to you" (v.18). To do this he had to return to what he
was before.
It should not surprise us that Jesus used the verb "go" in the sense
of changing office, rather than geographical travel. We do the very
same thing,. We talk about a successful man "going to the top of
his company." We surely don't mean he rode the elevator to the twentieth
floor! Or when we say a bright student is "going to the head of his
class," we don't mean he's going to run up the chalkboard! It all
indicates a change of office or position, for the better. One humble
preacher when asked to explain the verse that say, "Jesus came from God
and went to God," simply responded:
"That's easy, Jesus is God, comin' and goin!"
I can't improve on that!
OBJECTION 8 - THE HIDDEN FATHER
Dr. Boyd rejects the Oneness belief that "Jesus is the Father," which he
rightly refers to as the "cornerstone" of Oneness Theology, because he
insists its not in the Biblical Record. He cannot understand why
Jesus didn't come right out and say "I am the Father." He repeats
it more than once, so it must be important to him:
"Jesus emphatically does not here (or anywhere) say 'I am the Father'"
(p. 75).
And again:
"Note that Jesus does not here (or anywhere) say 'I am the Father'"
(p. 74).
"If Jesus was trying so hard to do this, why didn't he simply do it?"
(p. 74).
As usual, Dr. Boyd needs to sweep his own doorstep before he comes cleaning
ours!
WHAT ABOUT THE HIDDEN TRINITY?
Throughout his book he mentions that Jesus is God, and rightly so.
But where did Jesus ever say "I am God"? Come now, "What's sauce
for the goose is sauce for the gander." Why didn't Jesus come right
out and say "I am God"? If he was trying so hard to do this, why
didn't he simply do it? It would have certainly cleared the air on
the controversy of Christ's deity. The Arian conflict that raged
for centuries would never have gotten off the ground. The Watchtower
Society and its millions of Jehovah's Witnesses would have nothing to preach.
Unitarianism would have been "nipped in the bud." All He had to say
was "I am God." But he didn't. Or better still, Christ, with
his omniscience, could have headed off all controversy and simply stated
"I am the Second Person of the Trinity," at least, "I am the eternal Son."
Dr. Boyd believes firmly, fervently, unequivocally that Christ is indeed
the Second Person of the Trinity and the eternal Son. Yet He doesn't
have the slightest utterance from Christ's mouth to that effect!
And while we're at it, where does Christ say "I am one of God's personally
distinct ways of existing"? Passing strange is it not, how people
in glass houses insist on throwing stones? If Dr. Boyd can believe
that Jesus Christ is God, God the Son, and the Second Person of the Trinity,
without ever once hearing Jesus say it, then we certainly cannot be censured
for believing he is the Father! But Trinitarians will quickly tell
us that even though Jesus never said, "I am God, or God the Son," they
have other corroborating evidence and strong indirect statements.
So do we! And much stronger ones than they. For we have a text
that calls him the Eternal Father (Isa. 9:6). Let them produce
one that calls him the "Eternal Son". The world's been waiting over
1600 years for it. If they haven't found it yet, I doubt they will.
THE HIDDEN FATHER MADE PLAIN
In respect to the doctrine of the Fatherhood of Christ, he asks,
"But why , one must ask, is the New Testament so much less clear on
this score?" (P. 70).
He refers to the
"opaqueness of the teaching concerning the 'Fatherhood' of Christ..."
(p. 70).
"Why is the supposed fact that Jesus was his own Father so secretively
hidden?..." (p. 70).
These are all good questions. And Jesus Himself provides the answer!
At the very close of his ministry, just before His crucifixion, he made
this remarkable statement to his disciples:
"These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh,
when I shall no more speak to you in proverbs (parables, margin)
but I will show you plainly of the Father" (John 16:25).
Christ purposely throughout his ministry was "opaque" in his teaching concerning
the Father. He spoke of the Father in "parables" (margin) -- a "hidden"
method. Christ unhesitatingly admitted that his teaching concerning
the Fatherhood up until that point had nit been plain! That
is why He also taught it would require a special revelation to "see it".
All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth
who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and
he to whom the Son will reveal him. Luke 10:22
This revelation of the Father, Jesus just finished stating, had been
"hid from the wise and prudent," and "revealed unto babes, for so
it seemed good in the Father's sight" (Luke 10:21). Without this
revelation, all will remain "opaque" and "hidden". This is why the
teaching that Jesus is the Father "sounds so off" to Trinitarian ears.
They are getting their revelation not from the Son, but from Catholic Church
Councils. No wonder it sounds so off!
Now the question might arise, why didn't Jesus teach it "outright" and
"plain" like Dr. Boyd thinks it should have been, if it were true?
First of all, the Master doesn't need Dr. Boyd's advice on this point
or any other. Christ's motives are not for us to judge. But
I might suggest several reasons why the doctrine of the Fatherhood in Christ
was hidden to an extent. Of course, we must always bear in mind the
main reason -- "it seemed good to the Father" to do so. That ought
to be enough for anyone! Also it was a controversial doctrine that prompted
extreme reaction among the Jews when he mentioned it (John 8:19-20; John
8:58-59; John 10:30-31). Jesus said: "I and my Father are one."
The the Jews took up stones again to stone him" (John 10:30).
Therefore Jesus spoke of the Father in "parables" to them (John 16:25).
It was not given to those stony hearts to know this great truth (stony
hearts will have a problem with it!)
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you
to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
(Matt 13:11-12).
Another reason Christ did not come right out and say "I am the Father"
or for that matter "I am God" should be quite obvious. It was better
to have the disciples gradually realize it, through faith, and confess
it to him, tan for him to simply announce it. I could say I preached
a great sermon, and say it often, but wouldn't it be better if others told
me, no matter how long I'd have to wait!
Christ preferred to give them the evidence through his life, ministry
and teachings and let them draw the conclusion and make the confession.
His parabolic statements about the Father grew clearer toward the end of
his ministry as John 14 shows us. Even then they were not grasping
it, for Philip was still asking unenlightened questions like, "Sow us the
Father." Jesus' answer to Him is tinged with a slight rebuke, for
he says: "Have I been so long with you and yet thou hast not known me Philip?
He that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, show
the Father?" (John 14:7-9). He goes on, giving ever more light on
the subject:
"Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
The words I speak unto you, I speak not of myself: but the Father that
dwelleth in me, he doeth the works." (John 14:10).
Boyd is forced to say something on this passage by way of explanation.
Here it is:
"In a sense of course, the verses do imply that Jesus
is the manifestation or 'embodiment' of the Father." (p. 73).
Imply indeed! Dr. Boyd puts embodiment in quotation marks, for he
knows it means incarnation, and he wants to leave open an escape hatch
in case he's pressed for a definition. He goes on (how can he?):
"The main intent of John 14:7-10 is to assure us that 'the Father'
is not a different 'God' than the God revealed in Christ. One does
not, and cannot, look someplace else to 'see' and 'know' God the Father
...For just this reason, 'picturing' the Father (and/or Spirit) alongside
Jesus, a sort of horizontal tri-embodied Trinity -- is prohibited..." (74-75).
Sounds very nice, does it not? Now for the contradiction! On
page 75, this opponent of a "horizontal" Trinity says:
"Christ is the one who is at the Father's side and the one through
whom we must go to get to the Father, but He is Himself not the Father."
Christ says the Father is "in him." Dr. Boyd says they're "side by
side", but not "horizontal." They are "side by side," "along side"
each other, but not to be conceived of as "horizontal"! Do you remember
the Queen of Hearts in "Alice in Wonderland"? She declared that she
made at least two impossible statements every morning before breakfast.
She would have heartily approved of this "non-horizontal," yet "side by
side" doctrine, of the Father and the Son.
It would be best if their teachings became "opaque," better still, invisible!
And remain that way!
OBJECTION 9 - "THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH"
Dr. Boyd, and other Neo-Trinitarians, use this verse, John 1:14, to prove
their concept that God was made flesh (transmuted) rather than simply embodied
or robed in flesh. to them, God di not take upon himself human flesh, or
robe himself in it, no, he was changed into human flesh, made into a man.
Dr. Boyd writes:
"As I have already pointed out, to affirm with Scripture that 'the
Word became Flesh' either means that what the man Jesus experiences, God
experiences -- or it means nothing at all."
"Either God became a man or he did not; if he did then everything that
the man Jesus does, God does" (p. 65).
"...what Jesus endured on the cross, God himself endured... God could
truly humble himself in order to become a real full human being -- he did
not just robe himself in flesh -- while at the same time remaining the
transcendent Father in heaven" (p. 188).
What Dr. Boyd is actually saying is that God exists in "three personally
distinct ways" -- and one of these three ways was "changed into a man."
That these "three ways" are actually three divine individuals becomes quite
evident when he starts telling us, as he does on page 189, that from eternity
to eternity they talk to each other and love each other. "A form
of loving communion," "love bursts forth between the Father and the Son,"
"triune celebration of love within Himself," "real loving interaction,"
are the terms he uses to describe this activity. This requires
individuals, not "ways" and "fashions" and "modes of being."
What we have, no matter how hard and long it is argued is three divine
persons, three gods, and one of them is changed into a man! For "real
loving interaction" two minds are required at least. For love to
"burst" forth between two persons, two separate minds and centers of consciousness
are required; otherwise we do not have a "celebration" of love, just a
"recitation of love." Why "burst" with love if there is not a real
"other individual" to receive it, and return the "burst!" Ways, aspects
fashions, modes, and manners can't do these things!
ONENESS EXPLANATION -- "THE TENT OF GOD"
But does the Bible say that even one of these "persons" was changed into
a man? It does not. John explains what it meant to be "made
flesh" in the next clause -- and it is not a transmutation! He says:
"... the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us."
The Greek word for dwelt among us means "to pitch a tent and live in it,"
"to tabernacle." So God "lived in a tent" while here. And what
tent was that? It was the flesh tent of His Son! Jesus said,
"Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up.. but
he spake of the temple of His body" (John 2:19-21).
Tabernacle and Temple are used interchangeably of the human body (2 Peter
1:13 and 1 Cor. 3:16). Jesus' body was a temple, a tabernacle or
tent. But who was living in it? By now you know the answer.
"The Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the words," Christ
said in John 14:10.
So even Dr. Boyd's supposed proof text, in which Neo-Trinitarians
repose so much hope, proves that God "dwelt in flesh" or "robed Himself
in flesh" instead of being :changed into flesh." And because of this,
we can avoid the bizarre conclusion that when the flesh was killed, God
was also killed. He could, and did vacate the tent -- temple just
before it died on the cross. This is why the man Christ Jesus, the
Temple, cried out, "My God, my God, why has t thou forsaken me" (Matt.
27:46). God did not die on the cross.
I hope this finally puts an end to these "whisperings and swellings"
(2 Cor. 12:20).
We will now proceed to some of the more "standard" objections that have
been raised against Oneness over the years. While the preceding objections
were unique for the most part to Neo-Trinitarianism, the following ones
are used by both Classic and Neo-Trinitarians. They have been answered
often in the past, and answered well. However, in order to provide
a full response for "the hope that lieth within us" we will revisit these
questions and answer them at this time.
THE GODHEAD WITHDREW FROM CHRIST'S BODY ON THE CROSS, CAUSING HIM
TO CRY OUT: "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME."
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OBJECTION 10 -- "LET US MAKE MAN"
The plural use of "us" is argued as proof of "three persons" of the Trinity.
The Father is supposed to be talking to the Son. This is impossible
seeing that the Son would not be born, or come into existence, until His
birth at Bethlehem 4,000 or more years later (Luke 1:35; Heb. 1:5).
None of the Bible writers in the New Testament ever advanced this text
on any Godhead discussion. Neither John, nor Paul, nor Peter, nor
any New Testament author utilized it in any fashion, much less as a proof
of a so-called Trinity. Why has such a "powerful Cannon" never fired?
By comparing the use of "us" in other passages we can readily see to
whom God was speaking. For in each case angels, either Cherubim or
Seraphim were present.
In Genesis 1:26 we know angels were there because the book of Job says
that the "morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted
for joy" (Job 38:7). And this occurred during the Creation. (See
Job 38:4-6).
In Genesis 3:22 God says: "Behold, the man is become as one of
us, to know good and evil..." The context immediately realizes the
presence of Angels, Cherubims in this case:
"He placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubim..." (Gen.
3:24).
Wherever God was, the "us" angels are nearby. It is natural He should
talk to them, they are his companions, created for service and fellowship.
In Genesis 11:7, God goes down to inspect a city, namely Babel, and
the phrase "us" occurs in connection with this:
"Let us go down, and there confound their language"
Could God have been talking to Angels here? It would seem so.
For a few pages later in the Bible, God inspects another city, Sodom, and
takes two angels with him (Gen. 18:1-2, 22; 19:1-2). It appears to
be customary for God to take and Angel "escort" with Him on these occasions.
It must be remember also that at this time God Himself was manifested as
the Angel of the Lord, also known as the Word. This Jehovah Angel
was God's Old Testament Body or form. (See Gen. 16:7-13 for one example).
The final instance of the use of "us" occurs in Isaiah's vision of God's
throne (in which One, not three were seated thereon!) he hears God
saying: Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?" (Isa. 6:8).
The angles, to whom God is obviously referring, are mentioned in verses
2 and 6. They are Seraphims, one of the classes of angelic host.
So we have seen that in every case in which "us" is used, angels are
mentioned either directly or indirectly. Would it not be more logical,
as well as scriptural, to believe God was talking to them instead of postulating
two additional "divine persons" in the Godhead?
OBJECTION 11 - BAPTISM OF JESUS
"To Jordan, thou heretic and there behold the Trinity" has been the challenge
thundered forth by the Early Trinitarian Fathers of the Church. We
have of course gone to Jordan to see the "three divine persons" and
have come away somewhat perplexed. For two of the "divine
persons" are "missing persons". The only divine person that we can
see is our Lord Jesus Christ. there were two other "manifestations"
that occurred, namely a voice from a cloud, and a dove descending, but
these do not constitute Persons. In fact these manifestations were
actually miraculous works, and as such were produced by the deity that
dwelt in Christ:
"The Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works" (John 14:10).
The divine omnipresent Spirit of God could produce a "voice" anywhere He
desired. God once caused a donkey to speak with a voice in the Old
Testament (Num. 22:28). Is a donkey therefore a person? Jesus
said the stones could be made to "cry out" (Luke 14:40). Would the
stones therefore become persons?
What Trinitarians want, and cannot get, is a scene in which the Father
appears alongside the Son and points to Him and says, "This is my beloved
Son." They will have to go to Mormonism and consult Joseph Smith's
visions, so-called, if they wish that kind of proof. It's just not
in the Bible.
While Trinitarians are busy trying to turn "voices" and "doves" into
substantive persons they miss the message that the voice announced.
The divine Spirit said: "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased"
(Matt 3:17). God was actually declaring that He was in the beloved
Son, and well pleased. Paul so interpreted it, for he wrote: "For
it pleased the Father that in Him should all fullness dwell" (Col. 1:19).
And this of course is the "fullness of the Godhead" (Col. 2:9).
The descent of the dove was a special sign to John the Baptist whereby
he could identify the Messiah who would baptize with the Holy Ghost and
fire (John 1:32-33). A dove is not a person.
So what we have at Jordan, as anyone can see, is one Person in the water,
and a manifested voice and a symbolic dove. One Person, and one person
only. If we are going to use every instance of God creating a manifestation
and turn it into a divine person we cannot stop at three. For God
manifested Himself in a cloud, a Pillar of Fire, A Still Small Voice, A
Burning Bush, a wheel in a wheel and so forth. Its going to get very
crowded!
OBJECTION 12 -- THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD
Trinitarians who know their own doctrine never bring this argument up.
It would constitute an argument against their own beliefs, for they have
always taught that God's essence is "Spirit" and is not composed of bodily
parts. A Critical Lexicon and Concordance To The English and Greek
Testament, by E.W. Bullinger, a Trinitarian, has this to say on page 896:
"The Godhead is 'Spirit' (John 4:24) and as Spirit has no likeness
to matter..."
A literal right hand would certainly be a "likeness to matter." The
expression "right hand of God" is clearly symbolic and not actual.
The Revell Bible Dictionary, a trinitarian reference, defines this usage
of had as follows:
"The hand is mentioned some 600 times in the Old Testament, often symbolically
or in idiomatic expressions, frequently serving as a symbol of power or
ability. For example, the 'hand of God' indicates both
sovereignty and divine action" (The Revell Bible Dictionary, Fleming
H. Revell Co; 1990, p. 465).
The Bible also talks about God's "wings" and "feathers" (Psalm 91:4).
No one has ever taken this to be literal.
So Jesus being "at the right hand of God" cannot be taken literally,
for God is a Spirit (John 4:24) and a "spirit" hath not flesh and bone
(Luke 24:39). And without "flesh and bone" you cannot have a hand
(right or left). So what does "seated at the right hand of God" mean?
It means Christ now has all power and sovereignty. As a result of
his resurrection, in which God took up permanent residence in the glorified
Temple of Christ, our Lord possesses all power and authority. "All
power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." (Matt. 28:18).
Christ Himself defined the "right hand" as meaning precisely that:
"Hereafter shall ye see the Son of Man sitting on the right hand
of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven" (Matt. 26:64).
And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right
hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. (Mark 14:62 )
This is later described as simply "coming in the clouds of heaven with
power and great glory" (Matt. 24:30), omitting the mention of "right hand"
altogether.
OBJECTION 13 -- "ELOHIM"
In the past, every Trinitarian polemic would eagerly point out that the
Old Testament word of God ("Elohim" - Hebrew) was in the plural.
hence they would declare that it should be translated as "Gods" or the
even more ludicrous expression "the adorable ones". For eighty
years Oneness advocates pointed out that "Elohim" simply signified "the
Plural of Majesty" and in no way alluded to "divine adorable persons" in
the Godhead. The Jews always understood it as "Plural of Majesty"
and after all, it is their language. Besides, Christ alone is called
"Elohim" in the Old Testament; and certainly there is no "plurality
of persons" in the Son! Elohim was always used with a singular verb,
for example: "Elohim is", but never "Elohim are." This is additional
proof that Elohim is to be taken in the singular.
Now after 80 years, Trinitarians are finally "seeing the light" on this
question. Dr. Boyd states:
"When the one true God is referred to as Elohim, however, the corresponding
verbs are always singular ... Hence it is easiest and best to understand
plural of Elohim when referenced to Yahweh as denoting a plural of majesty."
(Boyd, p. 47).
If God granted is the time, it would be interesting to see what further
concessions Trinitarians would make after another 80 years of Oneness exposure.
One can only hope they will not be such slow learners in the future; time
is short.
OBJECTION 14 -- JESUS PRAYING TO THE FATHER
"Why did Jesus pray to the Father if He was the Father?" we are constantly
asked. We respond with: "If the persons of the Godhead are all equal,
why did one divine person have to pray to another divine person for help?"
The more enlightened will quickly explain that though Jesus was a "divine
Person" he was also a man, and as such was dependent on God the Father,
and needed to pray (as a man that is). And in so explaining it, they
have stated our position also!
To illustrate the point, I quote Dr. Boyd's correct (for once) interpretation
of this question:
"A final word must be said concerning how it is that Jesus (and others)
can refer to the Father as His God (John 20:17; 2 Cor. 1:3; Eph. 1:3; Rev.
1:6). On the face of it, the traditional trinitarian answer to this
differs little from the answer Oneness believers would themselves give:
namely, it is because of Christ's Incarnation, because of the fact that
he was a full human being, that he could not only refer to the Father as
his God, but also explicitly say that the Father was greater than he (John
14:28). It was, moreover for the same reason that the Son had to
continually pray to God as any human must pray (Mark 1:35; 14:35; etc.)."
As a man, in his human nature, Christ prayed to the father. Some
object saying "wasn't the father dwelling in Christ at this time?"
We reply, "Of course." They they say, "Well, this means Christ prayed
as a man, to the God who was dwelling in Him?" But why should this
present a problem? I once asked a Trinitarian if the God that he
worshipped and prayed to also dwelt in him? Naturally the answer
was affirmative. So, if a Christian can pray to God, even though
that same God dwells in him, why can't Christ? Of course, we all
realize the "indwelling" of God in Christ is far different in degree than
the "indwelling" in a Christian; for Christ is God because of the indwelling,
but no Christian can make such a claim for himself. Nevertheless
the principle is the same, humanity must pray to divinity and the "location"
of that divinity is not germane.
OBJECTION 15 -- "MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I"
How could Jesus be the Father if he said the Father was "greater" than
he? This is more of a problem to the Trinitarians, for in their theory
none of the "divine persons" of the Trinity are greater than any of the
others! The Athanasian Creed states:
"and among these three persons none is before or after another, none
is greater or less than another."
They can't escape it either as easily as they would like by simply
saying: "The Son was referring to his 'lesser' position on earth at the
time; the Father being greater because he was still in 'Heaven'."
The creed we just quoted talks about "persons" and not their location.
The Son was still the Second Person of the Trinity, regardless of his location
or condition. Its precisely for this reason that Dr. Boyd says: "When
Christ suffered a forsaken death, God suffered a forsaken death" (Boyd,
58). By which he means, God the Son, Second Person. So the
statement of Christ that the "Father is greater" contradicts the Trinitarian
Creed and leaves them fumbling for a way out. We will not allow them
the luxury of "switching" their "God the Son" to something "less" everytime
they get hemmed in by the Word.
Far from contradicting the Oneness Message, Christ's statement as to
the Father being greater, actually supports it. For it is axiomatic
to Oneness that the Son is "lesser," being a human. That is why the
Son said: "I can of mine own self do nothing" (John 5:30).
And it was as the human Son that Christ said: "My Father is greater than
I" (John 14:28), and "My Father which gave them me is greater than all"
(John 10:29). But at the same time, it is this Father, who is Greater
than all," who dwells incarnate in the Son. For Christ said:
"The Father, that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works." (John 14:10).
And that is why immediately after Christ stated that the Father was "greater
than all" he proceeded to say: "I an my Father are one" (John 10:30), and
"the Father is in me..." (John 10:38). When one realizes that Christ's
divinity is not derived from his human nature as "Son," but from
his divine nature as "Father," then there is no difficulty in the text
at all!
MOST ARGUMENTS RAISED BY CLASSICAL TRINITARIANS AGAINST THE ONENESS
DOCTRINE WERE INVENTED CENTURIES AGO, AND HAVE BEEN ANSWERED REPEATEDLY.
NEO-TRINITARIANS HAVE RAISED A FEW "NEW CHARGES," BUT ONENESS HAS MET THE
CHALLENGE HERE AND EXPOSED THESE ERRORS ALSO.
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