CHAPTER XVI
GIVING EVERY MAN A REASON 

ARE THERE PASSAGES IN THE OLD TESTAMENT THAT TEACH "PLURALITY"?
WHAT "NEW EVIDENCE" HAVE THE NEO-TRINITARIANS DISCOVERED AGAINST THE ONENESS POSITION?

OBJECTIONS ANSWERED // OBJECTION 1 - ROLE PLAYING //  THE ROLE PLAYING JESUS OF TRINITARIANISM // OBJECTION 2 - TRANSIENT ILLUSION // ILLUSIONARY SPEECH OF THE NEO-TRINITARIANS // "I-THOU" RELATIONSHIP" - TRINITARIAN IMPOSSIBILITY // OBJECTION 3 - RECIPROCAL LOVE // TRINITARIAN LOVE DILEMMA // OBJECTION 4 - JESUS' TWO NATURES // VOICE SWITCHING // REMARKABLE INCIDENT IN THE GARDEN // OBJECTION 5 - THE TWO WITNESSES // NEO-TRINITARIAN BACKFIRE // OBJECTION 6 - APOSTOLIC SALUTATIONS // OBJECTION 7 - "I GO TO THE FATHER" // A TRINITARIAN PROBLEM // ONENESS HAS THE ANSWER // OBJECTION 8 - THE HIDDEN FATHER // WHAT ABOUT THE HIDDEN TRINITY? // THE HIDDEN FATHER MADE PLAIN // OBJECTION 9 - "THE WORD MADE FLESH" //  ONENESS EXPLANATION - "THE TENT OF GOD" // OBJECTION 10 - "LET US MAKE MAN" // OBJECTION 11 - BAPTISM OF JESUS // OBJECTION 12 - THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD // OBJECTION 13 - "ELOHIM" // OBJECTION 14 - JESUS PRAYING TO THE FATHER // OBJECTION 15 - "MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I" //


OBJECTIONS ANSWERED

We will now consider the main objections raised by Dr. Boyd and other Trinitarians (both Neo and classical), against the Oneness of the Godhead doctrine.  Some of these objections are old "ghost" arguments and outfitted in new theological shrouds and made to appear quite "alive."  The same ammunition that laid them to rest the first time will be re-applied.  Hopefully Trinitarians will not take up precious time in the future with any further conjuring of these phantoms.

Another class of objections actually does not apply to the modern Oneness Movement at all.  The majority of Dr. Boyd's objections fall into this category.  These arguments have little to do with our doctrine.  They are all leveled against the modalistic teachings of Sabellius and Praxeas of the second century.  Thus we constantly hear Dr. Boyd characterizing our doctrine as role-playing, masks, illusions, performances, etc.  Our doctrine is "God in Christ," not "God in masks."  The Articles of Faith of the UPCI contains no references to God "playing roles" or "wearing masks."  Neither does the Creed and Discipline of the P.A.W. contain such statements!  Dr. Boyd's line of reasoning may apply (and I say "may apply") to ancient Modalism.  However even in that instance it is doubtful.  We do not have any of the writings of Sabellius or Praxeas to determine what they actually taught.  They were all destroyed.  All that we have to rely on is what their Trinitarian opponents accused them of teaching.  And we know how unreliable that can be!  The true teachings of the second century Modalists have no doubt been greatly distorted by their detractors.  We feel if their actual writing could be examined, they would probably show a theologically correct view of the godhead.  The followers of Sabellius and Praxeas were undoubtedly the surviving spiritual remnant of the Early Apostolic Church and doctrine.  That is why we do not hesitate to claim spiritual kinship with them; for there is enough evidence, even in the distorted charges of their enemies, to recognize that they possessed the truth.  And it is against these gross caricatures of Ancient Modalism that Dr. Boyd, and others, direct most of their fire power, while at the same time claiming to be refuting modern day Oneness.  In essence they just repeat the arguments of the ancient Trinitarian forgers!  If I may borrow Dr. Boyd's own words, written against us, and apply it to them, for it fits them much better:
 

This is nothing but a diversionary tactic, to keep people from examining the real Oneness teaching.  How greatly they fear the truth reaching the ears of professing Trinitarians can be seen in the following statement made by Dr. Boyd, after his presentation of our Oneness arguments for sake of reference, in Chapter 1 of his book: If this is how forceful Dr. Boyd views our arguments when he himself presents them in his book, how much more so must they be when we are allowed to present them!  No wonder they fear!!
 

OBJECTION 1 - ROLE PLAYING

Dr. Boyd lamb-bastes the Oneness doctrine in several places because he feels it reduces the Father and the Son to two "roles" that God plays.  He feels we can never know the real God, because he "hides" behind these masks, or roles.  Its similar, I guess he feels, to an actor who portrays several characters on a stage but never reveals his own personal life to the public.  He writes:
  Now where Dr. Boyd gained the idea that we teach God exists in "three temporary roles," I do not know.  He must be reading Church History far into the late night!  I have been Oneness for over 30 years and I have never heard it taught like that!  Its a classic straw man argument and totally inapplicable.  What we actually teach  is "God in Christ" (1 Cor. 5:18).  And from that belief we can learn a great deal about what God is like!  Because Jesus was "God manifest in the flesh" (1 Tim. 3:16), we have the most personal revelation  of the heart (heart of hearts, if you please) and Mind of God that is possible!  Through Christ we have a clear understanding of God's "essential eternal Being."

We know what God looks like because Christ said:

We know what God sounds like for Christ said: We know what God's love is like for Christ said: We know what it is to receive God for Christ said: We know what it is to know God personally, for our Lord said: We know where God dwells, for Jesus said: We know God's essence for Jesus also said: We even know God's personal name for Jesus said: What more does Dr. Boyd want than this?  It certainly satisfies Oneness believers who hunger for a revelation of God's "essential eternal being."  It certainly satisfied Paul who found God's glory "in the face of Jesus Christ" (2 Cor. 4:6).

Whatever we want to know about God is fully demonstrated in Christ.  And He is no "temporary role" for "in Him dwelleth (permanently resides - Greek) all the fulness of the Godhead bodily" (Col. 2:9).
 

THE ROLE PLAYING JESUS OF TRINITARIANISM

Whole we are on the subject of role playing, it would do well to examine Dr. Boyd's Neo-Trinitarianism for a moment, for it is here that the real "role playing charade" occurs!  Remember, in Neo-Trinitarianism God is not the literal Father (progenitor) and Jesus is not the literal Son (progency).  See Boyd, p. 63.  Therefore all this talk about the Father and the Son ("Father-Son language" as Boyd calls it on page 63) must not be taken literally, because "we are speaking analogically, not literally," Dr. Boyd tells us on page 63.  They are "like" Father and Son, but they are not literally so.  So if they are not really Father and Son, then they are "something else"!  They play the role of Father and Son, use "Father-Son language," but it is all an "analogy."  They are not really what they appear.  Even the agony of the cross is included in this performance, for we read that God's participation in this "devastating nightmare" was "something like a perfectly loving parent - as Father" (Boyd, p. 186).  He is not literally a perfectly loving parent or Father, for he is "something like a perfectly loving parent."  Whatever that might be!

Due to their "Greek Olympics" in which they re-translate out of existence all references to Jesus as "the only begotten Son of God," they are left with "something like" a Father and "something like" a Son.  And all the dialogue ("Father-Son language") in the Gospels, which we thought was between a real Father and Son, is one big "analogical" performance.  Role playing if you please!
 

No victory is promised for those who believe that Jesus was merely "something like" a Son!
 

OBJECTION 2 - TRANSIENT ILLUSION

This brings us to our next objection that Dr. Boyd offers.  He insists that to believe in the Oneness, we must also believe that Christ's dialogues with the Father were "illusions" or conversations that were contrived to "appear" as if Christ was talking to the Father and vice versa.  Some sort of a ventriloquist act conducted by one person, impersonating two, is what we are charged with.  He writes:
  The caricature that Dr. Boyd has painted of our doctrine is another  example of a straw man argument.  Oneness people believe that conversation between the Father and the Son were exactly that - conversations between God and His Son!  And how is that a problem for us?  I fail to see it!  We believe in one God, who is a Spirit (John 4:24), not a "person" whatever Trinitarians mean by that, they constantly change their definition.  This one true God, though He is Spirit, has a mind, a will, and a consciousness.  In addition to that He also had a Son, that He begat (something Neo Trinitarians refuse to believe), and who was born of the Virgin Mary.  Hence Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God - as the Bible declares repeatedly.  This Son was a perfect, sinless man.  We believe the Son could pray and speak to, and about, His Father any time.  We believe that it is as real and authentic as any conversation could be!  And God could speak to, and about, His Son, and be just as authentic - Where is the "illusion?"  Could it be the one that apparently exists in Dr. Boyd's mind concerning our real beliefs?  he wants us to believe something we do not, in order to make his argument more appealing, which he can't!

The fact that this same God the Father is also incarnate in His Son, that He dwells in His Son, does not alter in any way the above stated facts.  The Bible Truth that God was in Christ does not in any way negate the possibility of real communication between Christ and His Father.  Why should it?  In fact, as we shall see it is only with a  Oneness revelation that this dialogue makes sense at all.

For there to be real and meaningful conversation, two minds and two wills are required.  One mind must think and will to speak; the other must think to respond, and will to answer.  Without this you truly have a ventriloquist illusion.  In Oneness, the Father, who possesses divine mind and will, dialogues with His Son, who has a human mind and will.  That is why Christ could pray "not my will, but thine be done."  (Mark 14:36).  Christ also testified that communication with His Father was continually going on within him (John 11:42).  This communication was openly verbalized on occasions, not because it was necessary for Christ, but for our benefit.  For example read the account where Christ prays out loud at Lazarus' tomb:  What does He say concerning this?

And when the Father willed to manifest an audible voice outside of Christ, as He did in the Garden, Jesus explained it in similar fashion: So in summary, the Father who is a divine Spirit, can speak to his Son, who is a sinless man, and the Son in turn can speak to this Father, without negating the fact that God dwells in that Son.  Even Dr. Boyd makes the surprising admission that the Father was fully present in Christ: So even in Dr. Boyd's very "flexible theology" the Son is conversing with the Father who is "fully present" within him (p. 64)!
 
 
TRINITARIANS CLAIM THAT OUR BELIEF IN CHRIST'S FATHERHOOD IS "OPAQUE" AND MUST BE READ INTO THE NEW TESTAMENT TEXT.  IS THE DOCTRINE SIMPLY NOT THERE, OR DID CHRIST PURPOSELY VEIL HIS FATHERHOOD?
 
 

ILLUSIONARY SPEECH OF THE NEO-TRINITARIANS

But Dr. Boyd and the Neo-Trinitarians have a problem of their own with illusionary speech, which is more serious than the voice argument they raised against us.

The Neo-Trinitarians, like their Classical Trinitarian predecessors, make much of the "divine conversations" that took place amongst the members of the Trinity in eternity past.  This is part of their "eternal fellowship" doctrine.  The Classical Trinitarians at least admitted the they had three real persons, three individuals with three minds and wills (Brumback p. 55).  Real fellowship, love, communication could take place among their three separate gods.  But the Neo-Trinitarians want their "cake and eat it too."  They claim that the idea of three individuals with three minds, and three wills is all a "misunderstanding" (Boyd, p. 64,170).  God is, they claim, only One Spirit, with one mind, and one consciousness, not three separate individuals (178).  Dr. Boyd says his Trinity exists in three personal ways (178), three fashions (63), or three spheres (176); certainly not three separate persons.  However this presents a problem for them, that is larger than big!  For how, pray tell, does one "way" talk to another "way"? How does one "fashion" socialize with another "fashion"?  This is quite "illusionary."  If this is bad, its about to get worse.
 

"I - THOU RELATIONSHIP" - TRINITARIAN IMPOSSIBILITY

On page 192 Boyd refers to this inner life of love and sociality within the Trinity as an "I-Thou relationship"
  But Dr. Boyd conveniently fails to mention one thing, one necessary thing!  In order to have an "I-Thou" relationship, two minds, two wills, two centres of consciousness, must exist.  One mind and consciousness for the "I", and the other mind and consciousness for the :"Thou".  Otherwise it is a farce, an illusion!  This is why we as humans must find another "individual" in order to interact lovingly ("engage with one another in loving interaction" as he puts it, Boyd, p. 195).  But Boyd's Trinity only has one mind, one center of consciousness, one will, it is basically one individual!  Hence no true "I-Thou" relationship can exist.  The more they chew it the bigger it gets.  If they can't swallow it, how do they expect us to??
 

OBJECTION 3 - RECIPROCAL LOVE

Dr. Boyd's next objection to the Oneness arises out of his previous one, and is actually a corollary to it.  There can be no real love between the Father and the Son in Oneness scheme of things; only in the Trinity can it exist.  He considers this the most fundamental and important differences between Oneness Theology and trinitarian theology.  He writes:
  Oneness Theology does not undermine the love between God and Christ, in fact it underlines it!  For we preach the love of God the Father for his only child; a child he begat, and that grew into manhood in perfect obedience to His Father, whom he loved.  We preach a real love that exists between a real Father and a real Son who was begotten by Him.  Remember Boyd would have us believe "that the loving relationship that exists between God and Jesus is like that  of a father and a son..." (p. 63).  We believe it is that of a Father and a Son!

On page 186, Dr. Boyd gives us a personal incident of how he felt as Father, the pain he experienced, when he saw his daughter injured.  He uses this to illustrate the love between the Father and the Son.  He has a problem though.  He literally "begat" his daughter, so there is a real parent-child bonding and love.  But in his trinity the Father's love is that it is "something like a perfectly loving Parent" (p. 186).  You see it is "like that of a Father and Son" but it isn't.

What is so difficult for Dr. Boyd and the other Neo-Trinitarians to understand?  The one true infinite God, who is Spirit and omnipotent, begat through means of a Virgin Birth, a Son, who was a perfect sinless Man, the Saviour of the world.  What is so difficult about believing that God could love His Son, truly love him; and that the Son could reciprocate this love, truly return it?  The fact that the one true God also dwells in His Son, as Dr. Boyd himself admits, does not alter or abrogate this loving relationship.  The fact that the Father also serves as the divine nature resident in the flesh of his Son, does not impede the love of one to the other.  Indeed it heightens it!  See John 16:32.  In fact because of this incarnation it is impossible for us to love the Son apart from the Father:
 

Of course this is meaningless to Neo-Trinitarians, like Boyd, who do not acknowledge a "progenitor" nor a "progeny" - this begetting business is far too "pagan" for them!
 

TRINITARIAN LOVE DILEMMA

Dr. Boyd has a similar dilemma with his Trinitarian "love relationship" that he had with their "eternal fellowship".

He states the Trinity was involved in a loving relationship from all eternity; and what we witnessed in the incarnation showed us what had been going on between the Father and Son in eternity past.
 

And there is more he has to say, as he climbs ever further on this already creaking limb.
  Of course in that last sentence he is careful to use the word 'persons', for he knows how absurd it would sound to use any of his standard synonyms like "fashions," "ways," or "spheres."  Its difficult to talk about the interpenetrating loving union of the "three personal fashions in which God exists."  Fashions can't love each other, neither can "ways."

We are face to face with the same old Boydian dilemma.  True love can only exist between two individuals, two minds or centers of consciousness.  And in Boyd's "trinity" there is supposed to be only one mind, one will and centre of consciousness (though plenty of modes, spheres, fashions and ways!).  Love requires an "I - Thou" relationship, as he has previously taught us.  And we agree.  But for an "I - Thou" relationship to exist there must be two minds - one for "I" and one for "Thou" (or shall I say "one for me and one for thee!")  or at the minimum two separate wills are required.  But the "New Trinity" of Boyd and friends is quite deficient in this area, having only "one mind" and "one will."  The old Classic Trinitarians had no problem here, for they had plenty of separate minds and wills to go around!

Dr. Boyd seeks to extricate himself from this dilemma by involving himself in a massive and fatal contradiction.  He purposes that the love going on in the Trinity is best understood by picturing the Trinity as a "single human person" (see Boyd, p. 175).  Let's see if we got it straight:  "one person"!  He actually put it in print:
 

Now it is all right to define the Godhead as "one person"!  The gymnastics in Neo Trinitarianism would send an Indian rubber man to the chiropractor!  But let us follow this trail, it can only get better.
  He talks about a person having a "multiplicity of selves" (p. 175)!  But do these "selves" talk to each other and "love" each other (that is outside of a mental institution)?  Is this how we are to understand the Trinity?  Why doesn't he simply call it the "Schizophrenic Model"?  He quotes Augustine, who compared the Trinity to a person's "heart, will and intellect."  Does my heart love my intellect?  Does my will talk to my heart?  And does my intellect listen in, as we all love each other inside my body?  He calls these things, "aspects" of the self.  Now "aspects" of a person are loving each other!  How comforting on a lonely night!  Rev. Jonathan Edwards comes along on page 175 with the "self's relationship to its own self image."  And he asks the profound question, "who's talking and who's listening?"  That's what I'd like to know!  Wouldn't we all!  And he winds up saying "The fellowship of the three divine persons is something like this..."  All this from the man who on page 92 ridiculed Oneness as having a "multiple personality" Jesus!

What a great news all this business about "multiplicity of selves" will be for the man in solitary confinement, when he realizes that he is not actually alone, but that his "self" is loving and talking to it's "own self image"!  Or how socially pleasing is it for the recluse to realize he is not without fellowship because his "intellect" is busy talking to his "will."  No one should ever worry about not being loved, for one "aspect" of our "multiplicity of selves" is always ready to love another aspect!  And Dr. Boyd finally concludes on page 176 that this analogy drawn from the one human person is "much better suited to clarify the Trinitarian understanding of God than it is the Oneness understanding"  Amen!  The whole thing reminds me of a poem I read once:
 

And with that we will move on to our next objection.
 

OBJECTION 4 - JESUS' TWO NATURES

Oneness believes that Jesus was both God and Man in One Person.  He we believe he spoke from his divine nature as God, at times, and at other times from his human nature as man.  this has been a point of conflict with Trinitarians in the past.  For they too acknowledged that Christ could speak from both natures.  the only conflict was that we insisted his divine nature was the Father who dwelt in him (as Christ himself said in John 14:10), and they insisted his divine nature was "God the Son" (a term not found in the Bible).  But Dr. Boyd, like the ancient monophysite heretics, will have none of this.  He refers to our view as a "multi personality" Jesus (p. 92).  He considers it absurd that Jesus would "switch voices," as he puts it, between sentences:
  And what is even more abhorrent to his monophysical view is that Jesus even "switches voices" in mid sentence.
  Dr. Boyd has again constructed a gross caricature of our true belief in order to drum up popular support for his untenable position.  Lets set the record straight.  It is Dr. Boyd, not u, who believes in viewing God as  a "Person" with "multiple personalities," as he himself has stated on page 175.  We believe in "God in Christ," like Paul did (1 Cor 5:18).  When we say Jesus spoke sometimes as Father and sometimes as Son, what we mean is as obvious as it is Biblical.  Seeing Jesus was both God and man, he had two "reservoirs" or knowledge from which he could draw.  He could speak the "things of God."  This means information he had from his mental reservoir as God.
  But Jesus, because he was also a man, could also speak strictly as a man, drawing on his human reservoir of knowledge.  This was the knowledge in which "he grew and increased,"  like all humans.  Thus he could speak of earthly things, or heavenly divine things, that a mere man could never have known.
  If Dr. Boyd can't see this distinction in Christ's utterance all I can say is what Christ said:
  When Christ said:  "Before Abraham was I am" (John 8:58), who would deny he was speaking as God?  And when he said "I  thirst" (John 19:28), who would deny that he was speaking as a man?  The Monophysites argued over these texts, but the Trinitarians never found a problem (until recently!)
 

VOICE SWITCHING

The doctrine espoused by Oneness is far different from the ventriloquist act of which Dr. Boyd accuses us, or the different voices that fight for control in people afflicted with multipersonality disorder.  And as to Dr. Boyd's idea that Christ was so "limited" he could  not change perspectives ("voice switching") from divine to human between sentences, the Bible positively records Him doing it, and in mid sentence at that!  It is so obvious that even the most stubborn disbeliever will have to admit it is so.  I am referring to Christ's statement ion Zechariah 12:10.
  In one sentence Christ refers to himself as "me" and then "switches" (as Boyd likes to call it) and refers to himself as "him."  I know the stampede to Hebrew dictionaries will commence immediately, but it stands nonetheless.  There's no way out.  In this remarkable passage Christ uses the first person singular "me" and also the third person singular "him" to refer to himself.  Two natures speaking -- from one person!  What else could it be?  And if I may add, grammar is not the only area where we find out That Jesus is also the 1st person, as well as the third!

I know of a scholar, a Trinitarian, who teaches that when Christ used the term "we" and "our" in John 3:11 he was speaking from both his natures simultaneously!  My library is filled with books by Trinitarians which attempt to sort out the statements Christ made as a "man," from those he made as "God."  As the noted Trinitarian scholar John Walvoord says in his book, "Jesus Christ our Lord" :
 

Dr. Boyd's argument is not with us, but rather with his fellow Trinitarians.
 

REMARKABLE INCIDENT IN THE GARDEN

On what grounds could the remarkable incident in the Garden be explained, if Christ were not speaking with all divine authority and power of the indwelling Father:
  The KJV read "I am he", but the "he" is in  italics, indicating it was not in the original manuscripts.  So Jesus was uttering the Jehovanistic "I Am", just as Moses first heard God say it at the Burning Bush.  And if this utterance was not in some mysterious and sublime way springing up directly from  the reservoir of the Father's divine nature in Christ, how can the equally mysterious and awesome reaction it produced be explained?  His words literally "pushed them into the bushes."  I must agree with the conclusion reached by first century listeners of long ago:
  Why Dr. Boyd ever took issue with this, as a Trinitarian, is beyond me.  If he were an Arian I could understand it.  Analyzing Christ's utterances to determine which nature they issued from is standard Trinitarian, as well as Oneness, practice.  I will conclude this discussion with an excellent quote from the book, "Christ Before the Manger," by the Trinitarian scholar and author Ron Rhodes:
  Trinitarians had better sweep their own steps before they start on our porch!
 

OBJECTION 5 -- THE TWO WITNESSES

This is an old argument, first raised by Carl Brumback, to my knowledge, in the book "God in Three Persons".  The argument did not work then and it doesn't work now.  It's been dusted off and suited again, but to no avail.  This is another dog that just won't hunt; not only that, but it has the annoying habit of biting its owner!  Shall we explore it?

On page 76 and 77 Dr. Boyd outlines his case.  Jesus said that his ministry had been authenticated by two witnesses, namely himself and his Father (John 8:16-18).  This is in accordance with Jewish Law that requires two individual testimonies to make a judgment binding.  Therefore, the Father and Son must be two persons.

However, the Jewish Law is talking about two human beings (Num. 35:30); something that does not exactly apply to the Trinity or the Oneness.  For in neither doctrine are you dealing with two human "persons."  But the essence of the Mosaic Law is what Christ is using, the spirit of it, rather than the letter.  God the Father, the Almighty God of Israel, who was now in incarnate in Christ, bore witness by the miracles he performed through Christ.  And Jesus Christ -- the Man, the Son who was born of Mary, also bore witness through his sinless life, and infallible teachings.  In the Oneness therefore, we have two minds or centers of consciousness, one divine and the other human, that bore witness to Christ's ministry.  This is the equivalent of what Moses' Law required. The fact that the first witness, the Father, dwells within the Son, the Second Witness, has no negative bearing on the case at all.  For the residence of a witness does not affect his testimony! And besides, even Neo-Trinitarians admit the Father fully dwells in the Son.
 

NEO-TRINITARIAN BACKFIRE

We cannot say however that the "big gun" of the Boyd-Brumback Munitions Plant has failed to fire; for it did.  It backfired!  At leas it backfires on Dr. Boyd, for Mr. Brumback was able to shield himself behind his Classic Trinitarianism.  You will remember Dr. Boyd's "persons" are not really persons, that's why he puts the word in quotation marks.  They are defined as "personally distinct ways of existing" and "distinct fashions".  He even likes the analogy where they are compared to the "heart, intellect and will" of one human person; or the "self" and the "self image" of a single person (p. 175).

Now lets take that to court and see how it stands.

 
 
Witness "Your honour, I have two witnesses you require
Judge "Good, where are they?"
Witness "They are right here, your honour.  You see its myself and my own self-image."
Judge "Son, we cannot admit that in this court."
Witness  "O.K. your honour, look at it this way.  My heart is one witness and my intellect is the other."
Judge  "Sorry, son.  You're going to have to do better."
Witness  "I see, your honour.  How about this?  I exist in two personally distinct ways.  I am a dutiful husband, and also a loving father.  Can my two ways, or fashions if you want to call them that, testify as two witnesses?"
Judge  "The court is getting tired with these games.  Answer my question young man, just how many minds or consciousnesses do you have, anyway?"
Witness  "Your honour, I never claimed to have more than one mind, or consciousness.  But, please, can't I be two witnesses anyhow?  Please?"
Judge "The court orders the witness to undergo Psychiatric examination for multiple personality disorder.  Case dismissed!"
 

Robert Bowman says:
 

Neither can one have their "self" and "self image" take the stand, or their "heart" and their "intellect" for that matter!  Carl Brumback doesn't have this problem however, for his classic Trinity has at least three distinct centres of consciousness that can go to court.  Another Trinitarian writer of the "old school", Peter Barnes, speaks of three "divine spirit persons" and of course, these could also be subpoenaed as separate witnesses (Peter Barnes, the Truth about Jesus and the Trinity, p. 12)  But Dr. Boyd, with his "one mind" trinity has a real problem with his witnesses!  If I were him I would move for a postponement.  Objection Overruled!
 

OBJECTION 6 - APOSTOLIC SALUTATIONS

On Page 68, Dr. Boyd makes much ado over the Bible references that mention God the Father and Jesus Christ together. And he gives examples such as II John 3, "Grace Mercy and peace from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Father's Son."

Now references to the Father and the Son, especially as typified in the salutations, are theologically neutral.  The Trinitarians see it as  a reference to the First Person of the Trinity and the Second Person.  Arians see it as a reference to the one true God and his created Son.  Oneness adherents see it as a reference to the one true God, the Father, and to the Son in whom he dwelt, our Lord Jesus Christ.  I have used these very salutations in personal letters that I have written to others.  To speak of the Father and Son "juxtapositioned" in the same sentence in no way negates the fact that the Father is also in the Son, and that in Christ we have both.  Paul, who wrote most of the salutations, also stressed the fact that God was in Christ.  (See 1 Thessalonians 5:18, 2 Corinthians 12:19, Phil. 3:14, 2 Cor. 5:19, Col. 2:9).  It certainly presented no problem for the Apostle John.  For after the above quoted salutation in 2 John 3, we hear him saying in the same epistle:

How about that for a juxtaposition!  What the trinitarians need and want is a salutation which says: And this, thank God, they will never find!

The same thing applies to the threefold references scattered throughout the New Testament to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.  These no more prove three persons in the Godhead, than do the five titles given to Christ in Isaiah 9:6 prove five persons in the Son-head!  For that matter we read of "God and our Father" (Gal. 1:4), and the "mystery of God and of the Father" (Col. 2:2).  Are we to assume two persons are meant?

We are very comfortable reading about the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.  We have always believed in a God who has "revealed himself as Father, through His Son in redemption, and as the Holy Spirit by emanation" (Articles of Faith of the UPCI.).

Dr. Boyd's own explanation of the threefold references seem good to me.  He says:

And on page 57, and in his footnote on page 230, he refers to the whole thing as a "literary convention."  So if it is a "literary convention," why try to prove anything from it?  It is theologically neutral and any side can read what they want into it.  So why all the excitement?  Like the old Indian Chief said:

"Heap big thunder, heap big wind, - no rain!"
 

OBJECTION 7 - "I GO TO THE FATHER"

Jesus' statement in John 16:28 and a similar one in John 13:3 where he speaks of going (or ascending) to the Father is often used against us. This is supposed to prove the utter "distinction" of the two: If Dr. Boyd and other Trinitarians feel this is a problem for Oneness believers, they need to begin to take inventory themselves, for the text in question is an immensely greater problem for them.  I will explain.
 

A TRINITARIAN PROBLEM

According to the Trinitarian doctrine of the "Perichoresis," a Catholic invention of the 4th century, He goes on  to talk about the "totally interpenetrating loving union of the three persons of the Trinity" (p. 189).  Hence "the  inseparability of the three persons."  (p. 171).

Well now, according to what was just expounded as standard Trinitarianism, wherever the Son is, the Father is also fully present, and  the Father completely dwells within the Son, "interpenetrates" him in a loving union, and is "inseparable" from him.  Then how do they explain that the Son has to go to the Father?  You can't get any closer than "interpenetration"!  The fact is they don't even dare to attempt an explanation!  They use this verse against us as  one would a time bomb.  They bring it forward, set it in place, and then run for cover, for they certainly don't want to be there when it goes off!  In summary, if John 16:28 is a problem for anyone, its a problem for Trinitarians!
 

ONENESS HAS THE ANSWER

To understand this verse properly we must realize that Jesus is not speaking about "going" to the Father or "ascending" to God in a geographicical sense; as if He was in one place (down here) and the Father was off in another place (up there).  Jesus repeatedly told us "the Father is with me," "the Father dwells in me," and "I am in the Father and the Father is in me."  John the evangelist tells us the Son ever dwells in the "bosom of the Father."  You don't get much closer than that!  No amount of travel could get Jesus any closer to the Father than he already was.  So what did he mean?

Let us take the whole context.  Jesus said

In other words, he came from deity, dwelt in a human form among men on earth, and is now returning to his previous mode of existence.  He originally was the unhampered and unlimited divine Spirit, he came to earth and accepted the limitations of the flesh, and now he is returning top unlimited Spirit existence.  In other words, he is giving a short history of his changes in office or position, not location.  Before he came to earth he was the Father, an unlimited all-powerful Spirit.  But he left that position (I came forth from the Father) and became incarnate in human flesh and lived among us ("and am come into the world").  In this position he was limited and humbled. Now after the resurrection, He is no longer "humbled," no longer "limited," and hampered by the flesh.  He returns to what he was before, all powerful, unlimited, unencumbered Spirit ("I leave the world and go to the Father").  That is why the Bible said he That is why Christ said it was necessary for him to "go away" that the Comforter, (The Holy Spirit) "might come" (John 16:7), When? When He went back to God (John 13:3).  He went back to Spirit!  Now we can rejoice with Paul that the "Lord is that Spirit" (2 Cor. 3:17).  He came from unlimited Spirit life (Father), "limited" himself in flesh ("came into the world"), and now has returned to unlimited Spirit existence (Father).  And thank God for it.  For instead of being able to comfort just a limited number of disciples in the flesh, he is now able to dwell in us all as the Holy Spirit!  This is what he meant when he told the disciples, concerning the Comforter, "He dwelleth with you, but shall be in you".  (John 14:17).  "I will not leave you comfortless, I will come to you" (v.18).  To do this he had to return to what he was before.

It should not surprise us that Jesus used the verb "go" in the sense of changing office, rather than geographical travel.  We do the very same thing,.  We talk about a successful man "going to the top of his company."  We surely don't mean he rode the elevator to the twentieth floor!  Or when we say a bright student is "going to the head of his class," we don't mean he's going to run up the chalkboard!  It all indicates a change of office or position, for the better.  One humble preacher when asked to explain the verse that say, "Jesus came from God and went to God," simply responded:

I can't improve on that!
 

OBJECTION 8 - THE HIDDEN FATHER

Dr. Boyd rejects the Oneness belief that "Jesus is the Father," which he rightly refers to as the "cornerstone" of Oneness Theology, because he insists its not in the Biblical Record.  He cannot understand why Jesus didn't come right out and say "I am the Father."  He repeats it more than once, so it must be important to him: And again: As usual, Dr. Boyd needs to sweep his own doorstep before he comes cleaning ours!
 

WHAT ABOUT THE HIDDEN TRINITY?

Throughout his book he mentions that Jesus is God, and rightly so.  But where did Jesus ever say "I am God"?  Come now, "What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander."  Why didn't Jesus come right out and say "I am God"?  If he was trying so hard to do this, why didn't he simply do it?  It would have certainly cleared the air on the controversy of Christ's deity.  The Arian conflict that raged for centuries would never have gotten off the ground.  The Watchtower Society and its millions of Jehovah's Witnesses would have nothing to preach.  Unitarianism would have been "nipped in the bud."  All He had to say was "I am God."  But he didn't.  Or better still, Christ, with his omniscience, could have headed off all controversy and simply stated "I am the Second Person of the Trinity," at least, "I am the eternal Son."  Dr. Boyd believes firmly, fervently, unequivocally that Christ is indeed the Second Person of the Trinity and the eternal Son.  Yet He doesn't have the slightest utterance from Christ's mouth to that effect!  And while we're at it, where does Christ say "I am one of God's personally distinct ways of existing"?  Passing strange is it not, how people in glass houses insist on throwing stones?  If Dr. Boyd can believe that Jesus Christ is God, God the Son, and the Second Person of the Trinity, without ever once hearing Jesus say it, then we certainly cannot be censured for believing he is the Father!  But Trinitarians will quickly tell us that even though Jesus never said, "I am God, or God the Son," they have other corroborating evidence and strong indirect statements.  So do we!  And much stronger ones than they.  For we have a text that calls him the Eternal  Father (Isa. 9:6).  Let them produce one that calls him the "Eternal Son".  The world's been waiting over 1600 years for it.  If they haven't found it yet, I doubt they will.
 

THE HIDDEN FATHER MADE PLAIN

In respect to the doctrine of the Fatherhood of Christ, he asks, He refers to the These are all good questions.  And Jesus Himself provides the answer!  At the very close of his ministry, just before His crucifixion, he made this remarkable statement to his disciples:
  Christ purposely throughout his ministry was "opaque" in his teaching concerning the Father.  He spoke of the Father in "parables" (margin) -- a "hidden" method.  Christ unhesitatingly admitted that his teaching concerning the Fatherhood up until that point had nit been plain!  That is why He also taught it would require a special revelation to "see it". This revelation  of the Father, Jesus just finished stating, had been "hid from the wise and prudent," and "revealed unto babes, for so it seemed good in the Father's sight" (Luke 10:21).  Without this revelation, all will remain "opaque" and "hidden".  This is why the teaching that Jesus is the Father "sounds so off" to Trinitarian ears.  They are getting their revelation not from the Son, but from Catholic Church Councils.  No wonder it sounds so off!

Now the question might arise, why didn't Jesus teach it "outright" and "plain" like Dr. Boyd thinks it should have been, if it were true?

First of all, the Master doesn't need Dr. Boyd's advice on this point or any other.  Christ's motives are not for us to judge.  But I might suggest several reasons why the doctrine of the Fatherhood in Christ was hidden to an extent.  Of course, we must always bear in mind the main reason -- "it seemed good to the Father" to do so.  That ought to be enough for anyone! Also it was a controversial doctrine that prompted extreme reaction among the Jews when he mentioned it (John 8:19-20; John 8:58-59; John 10:30-31).  Jesus said: "I and my Father are one."  The the Jews took up stones again to stone him" (John 10:30).  Therefore Jesus spoke of the Father in "parables" to them (John 16:25).  It was not given to those stony hearts to know this great truth (stony hearts will have a problem with it!)

Another reason Christ did not come right out and say "I am the Father" or for that matter "I am God" should be quite obvious.  It was better to have the disciples gradually realize it, through faith, and confess it to him, tan for him to simply announce it.  I could say I preached a great sermon, and say it often, but wouldn't it be better if others told me, no matter how long I'd have to wait!

Christ preferred to give them the evidence through his life, ministry and teachings and let them draw the conclusion and make the confession.  His parabolic statements about the Father grew clearer toward the end of his ministry as John 14 shows us.  Even then they were not grasping it, for Philip was still asking unenlightened questions like, "Sow us the Father."  Jesus' answer to Him is tinged with a slight rebuke, for he says: "Have I been so long with you and yet thou hast not known me Philip?  He that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, show the Father?" (John 14:7-9).  He goes on, giving ever more light on the subject:

Boyd is forced to say something on this passage by way of explanation. Here it is: Imply indeed!  Dr. Boyd puts embodiment in quotation marks, for he knows it means incarnation, and he wants to leave open an escape hatch in case he's pressed for a definition.  He goes on (how can he?): Sounds very nice, does it not?  Now for the contradiction!  On page 75, this opponent of a "horizontal" Trinity says: Christ says the Father is "in him."  Dr. Boyd says they're "side by side", but not "horizontal."  They are "side by side," "along side" each other, but not to be conceived of as "horizontal"!  Do you remember the Queen of Hearts in "Alice in Wonderland"?  She declared that she made at least two impossible statements every morning before breakfast. She would have heartily approved of this "non-horizontal," yet "side by side" doctrine, of the Father and the Son.

It would be best if their teachings became "opaque," better still, invisible!  And remain that way!
 

OBJECTION 9 - "THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH"

Dr. Boyd, and other Neo-Trinitarians, use this verse, John 1:14, to prove their concept that God was made flesh (transmuted) rather than simply embodied or robed in flesh. to them, God di not take upon himself human flesh, or robe himself in it, no, he was changed into human flesh, made into a man.  Dr. Boyd writes: What Dr. Boyd is actually saying is that God  exists in "three personally distinct ways" -- and one of these three ways was "changed into a man."  That these "three ways" are actually three divine individuals becomes quite evident when he starts telling us, as he does on page 189, that from eternity to eternity they talk to each other and love each other.  "A form of loving communion," "love bursts forth between the Father and the Son," "triune celebration of love within Himself," "real loving interaction," are the terms  he uses to describe this activity.  This requires individuals, not "ways" and "fashions" and "modes of being."   What we have,  no matter how hard and long it is argued is three divine persons, three gods, and one of them is changed into a man!  For "real loving interaction" two minds are required at least.  For love to "burst" forth between two persons, two separate minds and centers of consciousness are required; otherwise we do not have a "celebration" of love, just a "recitation of love."  Why "burst" with love if there is not a real "other individual" to receive it, and return the "burst!"  Ways, aspects fashions, modes, and manners can't do these things!
 

ONENESS EXPLANATION -- "THE TENT OF GOD"

But does the Bible say that even one of these "persons" was changed into a man?  It does not.  John explains what it meant to be "made flesh" in the next clause -- and it is not a transmutation!  He says: The Greek word for dwelt among us means "to pitch a tent and live in it," "to tabernacle."  So God "lived in a tent" while here.  And what tent was that?  It was the flesh tent of His Son!  Jesus said, Tabernacle and Temple are used interchangeably of the human body (2 Peter 1:13 and 1 Cor. 3:16).  Jesus' body was a temple, a tabernacle or tent.  But who was living in it?  By now you know the answer. So even Dr. Boyd's supposed proof text,  in which Neo-Trinitarians repose so much hope, proves that God "dwelt in flesh" or "robed Himself in flesh" instead of being :changed into flesh."  And because of this, we can avoid the bizarre conclusion that when the flesh was killed, God was also killed.  He could, and did vacate the tent -- temple just before it died on the cross.  This is why the man Christ Jesus, the Temple, cried out, "My God, my God, why has t thou forsaken me" (Matt. 27:46).  God did not die on the cross.

I hope this finally puts an end to these "whisperings and swellings" (2 Cor. 12:20).

We will now proceed to some of the more "standard" objections that have been raised against Oneness over the years.  While the preceding objections were unique for the most part to Neo-Trinitarianism, the following ones are used by both Classic and Neo-Trinitarians.  They have been answered often in the past, and answered well.  However, in order to provide a full response for "the hope that lieth within us" we will revisit these questions and answer them at this time.
 

 
THE GODHEAD WITHDREW FROM CHRIST'S BODY ON THE CROSS, CAUSING HIM TO CRY OUT: "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME."
 
 

OBJECTION 10 -- "LET US MAKE MAN"

The plural use of "us" is argued as proof of "three persons" of the Trinity.  The Father is supposed to be talking to the Son.  This is impossible seeing that the Son would not be born, or come into existence, until His birth at Bethlehem 4,000 or more years later (Luke 1:35; Heb. 1:5).  None of the Bible writers in the New Testament ever advanced this text on any Godhead discussion.  Neither John, nor Paul, nor Peter, nor any New Testament author utilized it in any fashion, much less as a proof of a so-called Trinity.  Why has such a "powerful Cannon" never fired?

By comparing the use of "us" in other passages we can readily see to whom God was speaking.  For in each case angels, either Cherubim or Seraphim were present.

In Genesis 1:26 we know angels were there because the book of Job says that the "morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy" (Job 38:7).  And this occurred during the Creation. (See Job 38:4-6).

In Genesis 3:22 God says:  "Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil..."  The context immediately realizes the presence of Angels, Cherubims in this case:

Wherever God was, the "us" angels are nearby.  It is natural He should talk to them, they are his companions, created for service and fellowship.

In Genesis 11:7, God goes down to inspect a city, namely Babel, and the phrase "us" occurs in connection with this:

Could God have been talking to Angels here?  It would seem so.  For a few pages later in the Bible, God inspects another city, Sodom, and takes two angels with him (Gen. 18:1-2, 22; 19:1-2).  It appears to be customary for God to take and Angel "escort" with Him on these occasions.  It must be remember also that at this time God Himself was manifested as the Angel of the Lord, also known as the Word.  This Jehovah Angel was God's Old Testament Body or form.  (See Gen. 16:7-13 for one example).

The final instance of the use of "us" occurs in Isaiah's vision of God's throne (in which One, not three were seated thereon!)  he hears God saying:  Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?"  (Isa. 6:8).  The angles, to whom God is obviously referring, are mentioned in verses 2 and 6.  They are Seraphims, one of the classes of angelic host.

So we have seen that in every case in which "us" is used, angels are mentioned either directly or indirectly.  Would it not be more logical, as well as scriptural, to believe God was talking to them instead of postulating two additional "divine persons" in the Godhead?
 

OBJECTION 11 - BAPTISM OF JESUS

"To Jordan, thou heretic and there behold the Trinity" has been the challenge thundered forth by the Early Trinitarian Fathers of the Church.  We have of course gone to Jordan to see the "three divine persons" and  have come away somewhat perplexed.    For two of the "divine persons" are "missing persons".  The only divine person that we can see is our Lord Jesus Christ.  there were two other "manifestations" that occurred, namely a voice from a cloud, and a dove descending, but these do not constitute Persons.  In fact these manifestations were actually miraculous works, and as such were produced by the deity that dwelt in Christ: The divine omnipresent Spirit of God could produce a "voice" anywhere He desired.  God once caused a donkey to speak with a voice in the Old Testament (Num. 22:28).  Is a donkey therefore a person?  Jesus said the stones could be made to "cry out" (Luke 14:40).  Would the stones therefore become persons?

What Trinitarians want, and cannot get, is a scene in which the Father appears alongside the Son and points to Him and says, "This is my beloved Son."  They will have to go to Mormonism and consult Joseph Smith's visions, so-called, if they wish that kind of proof.  It's just not in the Bible.

While Trinitarians are busy trying to turn "voices" and "doves" into substantive persons they miss the message that the voice announced.  The divine Spirit said: "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased" (Matt 3:17).  God was actually declaring that He was in the beloved Son, and well pleased.  Paul so interpreted it, for he wrote: "For it pleased the Father that in Him should all fullness dwell" (Col. 1:19).  And this of course is the "fullness of the Godhead" (Col. 2:9).

The descent of the dove was a special sign to John the Baptist whereby he could identify the Messiah who would baptize with the Holy Ghost and fire (John 1:32-33).  A dove is not a person.

So what we have at Jordan, as anyone can see, is one Person in the water, and a manifested voice and a symbolic dove.  One Person, and one person only.  If we are going to use every instance of God creating a manifestation and turn it into a divine person we cannot stop at three.  For God manifested Himself in a cloud, a Pillar of Fire, A Still Small Voice, A Burning Bush, a wheel in a wheel and so forth.  Its going to get very crowded!
 

OBJECTION 12 -- THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD

Trinitarians who know their own doctrine never bring this argument up.  It would constitute an argument against their own beliefs, for they have always taught that God's essence is "Spirit" and is not composed of bodily parts.  A Critical Lexicon and Concordance To The English and Greek Testament, by E.W. Bullinger, a Trinitarian, has this to say on page 896: A literal right hand would certainly be a "likeness to matter."  The expression "right hand of God" is clearly symbolic and not actual.  The Revell Bible Dictionary, a trinitarian reference, defines this usage of had as follows: The Bible also talks about  God's "wings" and "feathers" (Psalm 91:4).  No one has ever taken this to be literal.

So Jesus being "at the right hand of God" cannot be taken literally, for God is a Spirit (John 4:24) and a "spirit" hath not flesh and bone (Luke 24:39).  And without "flesh and bone" you cannot have a hand (right or left).  So what does "seated at the right hand of God" mean?  It means Christ now has all power and sovereignty.  As a result of his resurrection, in which God took up permanent residence in the glorified Temple of Christ, our Lord possesses all power and authority.  "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."  (Matt. 28:18).

Christ Himself defined the "right hand" as meaning precisely that:

And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. (Mark 14:62 )

This is later described as simply "coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory" (Matt. 24:30), omitting the mention of "right hand" altogether.
 

OBJECTION 13 -- "ELOHIM"

In the past, every Trinitarian polemic would eagerly point out that the Old Testament word of God ("Elohim" - Hebrew)  was in the plural.  hence they would declare that it should be translated as "Gods" or the even more  ludicrous expression "the adorable ones".  For eighty years Oneness advocates pointed out that "Elohim" simply signified "the Plural of Majesty" and in no way alluded to "divine adorable persons" in the Godhead.  The Jews always understood it as "Plural of Majesty" and after all, it is their language.  Besides, Christ alone is called "Elohim" in the Old Testament; and certainly  there is no "plurality of persons" in the Son!  Elohim was always used with a singular verb, for example: "Elohim is", but never "Elohim are."  This is additional proof that Elohim is to be taken in the singular.

Now after 80 years, Trinitarians are finally "seeing the light" on this question.  Dr. Boyd states:

If God granted is the time, it would be interesting to see what further concessions Trinitarians would make after another 80 years of Oneness exposure.  One can only hope they will not be such slow learners in the future; time is short.
 

OBJECTION 14 -- JESUS PRAYING TO THE FATHER

"Why did Jesus pray to the Father if He was the Father?"  we are constantly asked.  We respond with: "If the persons of the Godhead are all equal, why did one divine person have to pray to another divine person for help?"  The more enlightened will quickly explain that though Jesus was a "divine Person" he was also a man, and as such was dependent on God the Father, and needed to pray (as a man that is).  And in so explaining it, they have stated our position also!

To illustrate the point, I quote Dr. Boyd's correct (for once) interpretation of this question:

As a man, in his human nature, Christ prayed to the father.  Some object saying "wasn't the father dwelling in Christ at this time?"  We reply, "Of course."  They they say, "Well, this means Christ prayed as a man, to the God who was dwelling in Him?"  But why should this present a problem?  I once asked a Trinitarian if the God that he worshipped and prayed to also dwelt in him?  Naturally the answer was affirmative.  So, if a Christian can pray to God, even though that same God dwells in him, why can't Christ?  Of course, we all realize the "indwelling" of God in Christ is far different in degree than the "indwelling" in a Christian; for Christ is God because of the indwelling, but no Christian can make such a claim for himself.  Nevertheless the principle is the same, humanity must pray to divinity and the "location" of that divinity is not germane.
 

OBJECTION 15 -- "MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I"

How could Jesus be the Father if he said the Father was "greater" than he?  This is more of a problem to the Trinitarians, for in their theory none of the "divine persons" of the Trinity are greater than any of the others!  The Athanasian Creed states: They can't escape it either as easily as they  would like by simply saying: "The Son was referring to his 'lesser' position on earth at the time; the Father being greater because he was still in 'Heaven'."  The creed we just quoted talks about "persons" and not their location.  The Son was still the Second Person of the Trinity, regardless of his location or condition.  Its precisely for this reason that Dr. Boyd says: "When Christ suffered a forsaken death, God suffered a forsaken death" (Boyd, 58).  By which he means, God the Son, Second Person.  So the statement of Christ that the "Father is greater" contradicts the Trinitarian Creed and leaves them fumbling for a way out.  We will not allow them the luxury of "switching" their "God the Son" to something "less" everytime they get hemmed in by the Word.

Far from contradicting the Oneness Message, Christ's statement as to the Father being greater, actually supports it.  For it is axiomatic to Oneness that the Son is "lesser," being a human.  That is why the Son  said: "I can of mine own self do nothing" (John 5:30).  And it was as the human Son that Christ said: "My Father is greater than I" (John 14:28), and "My Father which gave them me is greater than all" (John 10:29).  But at the same time, it is this Father, who is Greater than all," who dwells incarnate  in the Son.  For Christ said: "The Father, that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works." (John 14:10).  And that is why immediately after Christ stated that the Father was "greater than all" he proceeded to say: "I an my Father are one" (John 10:30), and "the Father is in me..." (John 10:38).  When one realizes that Christ's divinity is not derived from his human nature as "Son,"  but from his divine nature as "Father," then there is no difficulty in the text at all!
 

 
MOST ARGUMENTS RAISED BY CLASSICAL TRINITARIANS AGAINST THE ONENESS DOCTRINE WERE INVENTED CENTURIES AGO, AND HAVE BEEN ANSWERED REPEATEDLY.  NEO-TRINITARIANS HAVE RAISED A FEW "NEW CHARGES," BUT ONENESS HAS MET THE CHALLENGE HERE AND EXPOSED THESE ERRORS ALSO.

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